Trump administration separated families. Reuniting them is a giant mess.

Point remains, the system is being abused.

Keep the kids incarcerated with the parents during the amnesty process? How's that work for ya?

 

See how well you use hearsay America faced this same problem with the Brit, we didn't ask for asylum we asked for SUPPORT and the tools to protect ourselves, did you not just celebrate the 4TH?

As this nonsense ASYLUM breed is a nation of unabated criminals, if the stories are true! Is that your ideology and the type of countries you wish to promote and render out?

Seems strange to promote the numbers of the problem populace by removing the civil population to another country! So tell us Bois, what's your end game here again?

 

Or perhaps they weren't with their parents when they attempted sneaking across our border. Do you have a solution for that? Perhaps a wall could route these children and their coyotes to a legal checkpoint?

 

And another thing, we have always in favor for immigration. Legal immigration.

 

People I talk to say they come here for jobs and money! What you chose to swallow is yours to digest!

 

In another thread using numbers from a NY Times article I pointed out that 71% of asylum seekers are denied. While I agree that those asylum seekers facing real danger through no fault of their own need to be helped in every way that we are able we still have to triage the entire mass of asylum seekers to dicern the credible from those just gaming our system and largesse.

71% is telling. The vast majority are coming with mens rea or a fraudulent intent. Prudence demands that we detain everyone until we can determine their legal status.

Here's my post from another thread:

Well over half will be going home.

Once they (asylum seekers) are processed at the port of entry, they are likely to be transferred to a detention facility where they must pass the first step in the asylum process, a “credible-fear” interview with an officer of the United States Immigration and Citizenship Services.

The number of credible-fear interviews conducted by the federal agency has soared from 5,000 in 2007 to 80,000 last year.

More than three quarters of those interviewed pass that screening and are referred to an immigration judge for hearings that may span months or longer. (Those who fail the interview can be deported immediately.)

Immigration court records show that more asylum cases were denied over the previous five years than have been granted. In fiscal year 2016, 62 percent of asylum cases were denied, compared with 44.5 percent five years earlier. Among Mexicans and Central Americans, the approval rate is substantially lower.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/migrant-caravan-asylum.html​

So let's do the math. 80,000 initial asylum seekers. 20,000 don't pass the "credible fear" interview and are deported. 60,000 advance to immigration court where 62% will be denied, 37,200. 57,200 don't qualify or 71% of asylum seekers claims are found to be not credible.

 

And ultimately soft migration practice will only serve to strengthen the very problem you and others are trying to protect the few that make it here FROM! When are you going to address the problem you are making worse in Guatemala?

 

I get that you don't want them to immigrate here and see it as them getting free stuff they don't deserve. However, if you look at the situation from an economic point of view, immigrants add more to the economy than they take. That's documented. Of course, it's costing tax payers a lot more now that we are paying $700 a night per person to house them in cages, since we decided to prosecute everyone that crosses the border at a place other than a port of entry, and sometimes even there.

Here's where I have a problem… asylum seekers, by definition, are not illegal immigrants, but we actually do have illegal immigrants that have overstayed visas. Yet no one is stripping them of their kids and putting them in cages. We're treating those, that have actually suffered from violence, worse for trying to get out of that situation and get their kids out of that situation, than we treat those that are actually illegal. By far, most illegal immigrants came here on a visa and never went home.

 

Seeking amnesty is NOT a crime, and deserves no incarceration. Our system is failing us and them here, and needs fixing. But Trump is using the system defects to get what he wants by skirting the law and incarcerating innocent immigrants and separating them from their spouses and children illegally. This behavior is against everything I've ever been taught about American values.

 

If it was the law of the land, used for purposes other than voting and was available for a nominal fee (free for people under a specified income level) they'd get one.

It's been a few decades since I rented, but I suspect that might be by state and city too. We're talking about making something a federal law.

 

As a country that believes in human rights, there is no justification for stripping people of their children and making them sleep in cages, on the chance that they are not credible asylum seekers. We, as a country, have chosen to victimize them a second time, for doing nothing other than ask for help.

 

There were protests but then the RWers didn't GAS.

 

Yeah. Right now it's Trump and his minions that are abusing it. They are breaking the law by treating legitimate asylum seekers as if they were illegal aliens--which they aren't. Trump is abusing both the system and the law.

 

Then you must be completely unaware that these "parents" are giving birth control to their own daughters, some as young as 12 years old, because rape from the Coyotes is "just a part of immigration".

We picked the kid up out of the dirt, gave them a sandwich and something to drink, and a bed to sleep in, and you are mad about it?

 

Our government has to address the problem. Republicans have control of Congress and the White House. Are they doing anything about it? No, they aren't. They are playing politics with immigration so there is a hot button issue to stir up the base for the next election. Why are you calling on me to fix it, when your party has the ability and the means to do so, but aren't?

 

We can easily afford even millions of refugees.

 

And what you're not getting is Guatemala is small, just under 17 million souls! We have already absorbed just under TWO million good people! So as a intelligent person I take you to be, just what GOOD has this done to the country of Guatemala and the other good people unable to leave! All this nonsense is doing is offsetting the balance of power and giving "What you claim" the criminals more power

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Better to victimize them, then victimize our own citizens.

 

Fine with me, as long as the process is completed within 20 days. That's the law as it stands now. It seems to me that 20 days should be sufficient for the process, but if not, it can be amended by Congress to another time frame, but the time frame must be defined. It is not OK with me for these people to be incarcerated indefinitely, with or without children. That is what I understand the Trump administration has asked for… indefinite incarceration, and why the courts have said that isn't going to happen, especially when children are involved.

 

Legitimate asylum seekers don't get discovered on the corner of 2nd and Maple St when they get pulled over for speeding... agreed?

 

I'm aware that children have crossed the borders illegally alone. Each case should be addressed individually--not lumped into some "one size fits all" solution. I don't agree we need a wall to solve this problem.

 

Hence "Voter ID". Neither party can disenfranchise voters unless they are Felons... and not all do that. Thus, unlike the other examples you mentioned, no one can suspend a voter ID since it's not a "license", it's a right.

As for allowing the Feds to determine who can work, isn't that the point? How else to control illegals? Just keep running around and deporting them forever? I vote for the simplest, most effective solution; proof of legal residence and criminalize those those who entice illegals to come and stay in the US.

 

If the EPA Superfund will ever declare my back yard to be clear

The ones these people are fleeing in El Salvador and Guatemala ARE the ones we trained for regime change.

 

Well then the whole family goes back to mexico if for any reason the amnesty process cannot be completed in 20 days... how's that work for ya?

 

Bingo! We can end the thread now.