Trump administration separated families. Reuniting them is a giant mess.

Are you suggesting it isn't true or are you just plugging your ears so you can't hear the truth?

"First, the government stopped fingerprinting most adults seeking to claim the children. In April 2014, the agency stopped requiring original copies of birth certificates to prove most sponsors’ identities. The next month, it decided not to complete forms that request sponsors’ personal and identifying information before sending many of the children to sponsors’ homes. Then, it eliminated FBI criminal history checks for many sponsors.

Since the rule changes, the AP has identified more than two dozen children who were placed with sponsors who subjected them to sexual abuse, labor trafficking, or severe abuse and neglect.

“This is clearly the tip of the iceberg,” said Jacqueline Bhabha, research director at the FXB Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard University"

https://apnews.com/cc07b82ec58145cc...gation-feds-failures-imperil-migrant-children

 

You have to have a way to identify illegals then hold employers and rental people accountable. How do you think an employer or renter can tell the difference between a legal resident and an illegal?

 

I think if you look at what a responsible parent would do, a responsible parent would get their kids away from a dangerous, life-threatening situation. The trip is potentially deadly itself, so the danger in their home country must be as great or greater than the trip. We know that some of those deported back to their home country end up dead in a short amount of time, so it is plausible that the danger is very real and imminent for those that seek asylum. I don't think you can fault the parents for trying to keep their kids safe and offering them a better life here. It's not illegal for a refugee to cross the US border at a place other than a port of entry, and surrender to CBP/ICE to ask for asylum, but they are being prosecuted and detained for doing so. Then the courts are ruling in their favor, so the tax payer expense and angst foisted on these refugees by the US government is really unnecessary.

We have people still overstaying student and travel visas, IOW- illegal immigrants, and we don't take their kids away from them, or make them sleep in cages. We're only doing that at the southern border, with those asking for asylum.

I think you have a point, concerning the parents' role when looking at unaccompanied minors crossing the border. They are decidedly different from asylum seekers with children though, and intentionally crossed the border without their parents, sometimes into the arms of human traffickers and drug dealers. Once the kids were separated from their asylum seeking parents, the children were treated like unaccompanied minors, and that's why there was no plan to reunite them with their parents. Unaccompanied minors, by definition, are not going to be reunited with parents. Classifying refugee children stripped from their parent as unaccompanied minors was also a choice the government made, similar to prosecuting every border crosser. The government took a situation, made it worse and more inhumane, made it cost more money, damaged our human rights reputation world-wide, and then reversed the decision with no plan to fix it. Let's not blame refugee parents for that. The blame rests with the US government.

 

Uh there is something in place called, "Background Checks"

 

Correct. Let's say you are a renter and I want to rent an apartment. Tell me how the process would work and what you think it should cost versus just asking to see my Voter ID card.

The upside to your proposal is that criminal records can be attached so that if a renter was busted for smoking pot or has too many traffic tickets, you would know and could deny them the apartment in favor of a more honest renter. Be careful what you ask for SBB.

 

There are alot of folks who don't vote, so they are not going to get a voter I'd card.

Uh most places you rent from already do a background check, so what am I asking for?

 

I'm going to stop you right there! Be honest Bois, HOW MANY Guatemalans have you actually spoke to about this so called life-threatening situation?

Personally I'm up to ten, SO FAR! I have a unique advantage as this area is thick with migrants/work Program, from all over the globe, and it's a very small town 65K! And so far the main reason for coming here is jobs and money! All the ones I have "pumped" love their home country, but not poverty. And the violence bit, well I have had to ask OUTRIGHT if it is as bad as our media claim, and to which the answer is "Not really"

In fact, once you get tight enough with them, the real violence they face comes from Mexicans "Of which they hate with a passion" but explain how they are quickly dealt with "With a wink" and nuff said!

So you believe what you need to believe and I'll continue to ask the folks around town!

 

Family separation also occurred under the obama administration but the left said and did nothing. It's only an issue now.

And yeah, some of the "separation" is for the benefit of kids who might be trafficking victims but the left never mentions that part.

 

So you're telling us, the entire central and southern continent are murderous **** holes? That's not what Democrats tell us =) The U.S. is the ONLY safe place to request asylum? They could go to Canada too, but they have to get through us first.

If you look at a map they could easily go south, but then, no one is giving them free **** down there=)

 

I think it's easy to judge someone else's choices, when you're not walking in their shoes. Do some say it isn't as bad as our media claim? I don't doubt they do. Does that mean the people seeking asylum are not in danger? I don't think you can say that definitively. They have the right to ask for asylum, and then if they can't make the case, they get deported. So, they have to be able to prove they deserve the label of asylum seeker or they don't get to stay, and they all don't get to stay.

The point was, blaming the parents for something the government has chosen to do, is blaming the victim for being a victim. The parents didn't travel here with their kids, seeking asylum, to have their kids ripped away from them and sent across the country, at a large expense to tax payers, only to be granted asylum or deported, without knowing where their kids are or how to get them back.

 

While I agree that some form of positive identification card, proving citizenship or legal ability to work, that everyone is required to show to an employer is the most effective solution, it's also the one that is fraught with very serious concerns. Most prominent is that it becomes a license to work and like all other licenses the government will find a way to use its suspension to force compliance with other laws.

Drivers licenses, passports, trade and professional licenses are all subject to suspension for failure to pay taxes, for delinquency on child support, being found administratively guilty of some rule, being found guilty of a law, failure to pay duties, fines and fees. The list is getting long. Do we really want to give government the power to license our ability to work? Hell no!

Find another way.

 

lmao@Trump creates...

 

Good points. Under Trump, the Republican Party has devolved from the party of "family values" to the party of "Pro-Life for fetuses" while heartlessly tearing infants away from their natural mothers & fathers, ruining the lives of all concerned, as punishment for a simple legal misdemeanor. I will not vote for any of these human jackals, and I can't fathom how anyone who cares for historic American human values can vote for them. It's beyond understanding.

 

I just woke up and this is better than reading the funnies in the paper.

"heartlessly tearing infants", "human jacklals", omg I can't breef....

 

If you were in danger and wanted to keep your kids safe, where would you go to seek asylum?

Are you saying that asylum seekers only come to the US? Do you have a citation that Guatemalans only come to the US for asylum? Because this site says they also go to Belize and Mexico, among other countries. Most apply here, no doubt, but the number is small- where out of 11K applications for asylum, we accepted 1600.

I'm saying that people that come to the US and ask for asylum shouldn't be treated like they are lawbreakers and have their children stripped from them and shipped a thousand miles away, without knowing where they are and how to get them back, when asking for asylum is not illegal, even if they don't come through a port of entry.

Oddly enough, lots of people overstaying their visa, really are illegal immigrants, and they aren't stripped of their kids.

 

Sounds like you're one of them. I stand by what I posted.

 

Well asylum is the easy'ISH way, and the hardest to confirm, and that's our fault! Doesn't make any of it true, it's just a loophole that the world uses! I have several Chinese acquaintance here that also claimed "Political Asylum" and are now naturalized It's just a bullshit tactic that is being over-abused and over-hyped by the bleeding heart left and needs to be curbed or better yet canned!

 

Quote from your article where it says the government has lost these children and can't find them.

 

And look at how "inhumanely" they were being held under the Obama administration. Where were the protest then?

 

Good on you, others would backpedal, glad to see you have a modicum of accountability.

Question, if you don't mind, if the parents were "seeking asylum", then why was there first contact with Law/Border Enforcement 5 years after they got here illegally and now that they got found via a traffic stop, all of a sudden it's "I wanted to apply for asylum".

Why is that?

 

Because the children aren't be stripped from them. The children are being stripped from coyotes, NOT always PARENTS. And asylum is subjective. You go to the closest country and Mexico is the closest, like you said. but they don't get free stuff there. We shouldn't be giving them anything. We wouldn't have to give them anything because they would have bank accounts. We simply can not just let people go and hope they show up in a few months for a hearing. We accept NO ONE, unless you have documents, money and education.

 

Those seeking asylum do so because their life or the lives of their family are threatened or endangered. Your comment places them into the same category of illegal aliens that Trump's ignorant policies do. Trump is wrong and so are you. Trump is acting with no compassion and apparently, so are you. This lack of human compassion on the part of our new "Trump America," is deeply disturbing.

 

The point remains that if the law is deficient, the blame lies with Congress. Congress can fix it, and they should. They are the lawmaking body in this country. The blame is not on the parents. They are simply taking advantage of the ability to declare refugee status and to try to make a better life for themselves and their children, just as our ancestors did, when they first came here. Only they weren't stripped of their children and made to sleep in cages.

Rich Chinese come over and spend the last month of a pregnancy on vacation, have the baby here, complete with US Citizenship and eventual voting rights. But, by all means, let's blame the poor Guatemalans for seeking asylum to get their kids away from lawless gang violence that permeates their country.

As far as the "bleeding heart" left being curbed, you'll soon see the capitalists pushing for more immigration. We need the workers. The economy can't grow with a dwindling population, and Americans can't afford to have children, so they aren't having as many as we need.

 

Maybe President Trump should do what President Obama did when his administration separated families at the border and actually did put children into cages, release the children in custody back to the cartel's human traffickers so the cartel's can complete the crime with the help of the Obama administration.

 

Stop! stop. I gonna pee. xD