Trump claims with no evidence, that Obama tapped his phones

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  1. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

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    FISA has nothing to do with Democrats.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they used it to SPY on a US presidential candidate, they are ******. - I think the language controls are off btw.
     
  3. Judy Mcintyre

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    If. Could. Maybe. That is all you have. All Trump and the other crazies have.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm pretty sure the arguments on both sides here are commensurate. Personally, I'd like to talk about what the government is up to with the FISA court system.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Trump's accusations are false, he should be impeached for slandering a former President with lies.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think you'll get that wish. He was repeating information that was available to the public. He was just retweeting it, without providing a source. He doesn't have to be right.
     
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    Trump lives daily being accused. How else did the information show up than using wire taps? Tell me that? Who wanted Trump defeated?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    slandering a former President, is impeachable
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not now thank god.
     
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    Maybe in Israel. Not America.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He didn't slander him. And I'm pretty sure it's not. Otherwise, election season would be far less interesting. He came down stairs, in his robe and slippers, eating breakfast. Went to britebart.com. Read the story, called up Steve. Steve said, "Yes Ssir unfortunately we think this is true." Then trump tweeted out almost exactly what he read.
     
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    Except we all know Obama never did that. There was never anything scandalous about Obama that was found in his entire eight years. Try as Trump and his supporters might, this is all a distraction from Trump's real scandal.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah it must of, why didn't Obama tell us trump was an agent for the Russian before he left office? If it's true he would have stopped the greatest assault on American sovereignty since the civil war.

    That's his primary role as president. Obama was a failure.
     
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    Trump should be gone already saying he knows no one affiliated with communicating with the Russians.
     
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    Evidence? What evidence?
     
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    bwk Well-Known Member

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    So, you're cheer leading for an idiot. Lol! No wonder the Right has gotten themselves in such a jam so early on. Coming to the defense of a mentally unstable, totally ignorant, entirely criminal fake president, and you think Republicans will come out of this smelling like a rose? This is hilarious.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are meetings with the Russian diplomat scandalous? The meeting was on sessions Public Calendar. It was public record.
     
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    I believe that it is wise for anyone to have incontrovertible proof (or, at least, strong evidence) before bringing a charge. After all, the burden of proof is on the person making the charge--not on the person defending against it.

    Still, I have to wonder if your outrage is purely a matter of neutral principle--or if it is of the selective variety.

    Would you equally condemn, for instance, those who make the (unsubstantiated) charge of Russian collusion in the 2016 presidential election?

    Whereas it is certainly true that one ethical lapse does not automatically justify another--to believe so would be to fall into a common fallacy--it does seem a bit hypocritical to pounce upon the one, while overlooking the other.

    In fact, it seems downright partisan...
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was that an easy straw man to knock down? I'm not arguing that trump knows what he's doing. Calling on congress to investigate, and doing it publicly, was the right thing to do.
     
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    His circle of people have been caught lying for one. And Trump himself has been caught lying saying he doesn't know anyone associated with Russia. Lol! His own son-in-law is associated with Russia. Are you telling me he doesn't know his own son-in-law? The man is totally unstable and can't remember the lie he told the day before, so he backs it up with a new one the next day. He is totally out of control.
     
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    How is it the right thing to do without evidence, and claim it as fact anyway? This is a fools game he is playing, and anyone with a brain the size of a pea knows it.
     
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    Because only congress can investigate claims like these properly. The source of the claim was and Anti-Trump journalist. The NYT reported that the FBI had investigated the server for several weeks and found nothing. Seems to be enough for an investigation to me.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its Twitter stop taking it seriously. Everyone uses the internet to shoot their mouth off.
     
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    You are beginning to break down with this amateur rebuttal of yours. Everyone knows Obama was leaving office and this was/ is still an ongoing investigation.

    To say Obama was a failure, is just a cop out to the full scale nature of this investigation. Obama or anyone else for that matter, are not automatically magicians who instantly find out things before they leave office. He did happen to gain enough evidence that Russia interfered with our election.

    And with that being said, it's a shame you have chosen to take such a low road, by making up these ridiculous excuses of yours.
     

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