Trump claims with no evidence, that Obama tapped his phones

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  1. bwk

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    Are you understanding me here? I''m talking about Trump making these accusations on twitter about Obama conducting a wiretap without Trump having any evidence. Congress isn't in this yet. Let's focus on what Trump is foolishly saying right now as of Saturday morning.
     
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    o_O And are you saying Trump doesn't take Twitter seriously? :confused:
     
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    No, it's spot on. An investigation requires probable cause. If Obama had probable cause to believe Trump was an agent of the Russian Government, it would have been his right, and his duty to tell the American people before handing over our nuclear codes. The FISA law itself protected the American people but allowed the government to continue to spy on foreigners so **** like this would not happen.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, I thought that was obvious, to everyone.
     
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    I didn't say Trump was an agent of the Russian government. That's you talking that smack, not me. Try again!

    As to FISA, what about it? If it's to protect the people to spy on foreigners and it is still on going, why is this Obama's failure? You really do not make any sense. I'm beginning to tire of this nonsense of yours. If you can't provide something meaningful to this debate besides this chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) excuse of a blame game for Obama, then move along. Folks such as myself can smell your snake oil a mile away.
     
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    It's still on going. Does that register somewhere? I didn't think so.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still going on? Trump has the Codes! Obama gave them to him. He's an agent of Russia!
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FISA does not allow them to spy on American Citizens. It was put in place for the sole purpose of stopping people from spying on political opponents, for any reason. If they wanted something from Trump they should have used a real court.

    Why don't you understand that?
     
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    To date, no one has provided evidence that any Republican conspired with Russia to throw the election.
    To date, no one has provided evidence that Russians did anything that threw the election. All we know is they tried as they always have.
    Only the media has already seemed to arrive at their own conclusions.
     
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    Okay, I'm going to try this one more time with you. If you are not willing to watch this entire video, you will be forever in the dark as to what is going on; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...kes-big-risk-exposing-corruption-889965635859 This puts to rest the "American citizen spying" you have been talking about, that I have never argued about. And so this will be my last correspondence with you on this subject if you do not get it this time.
     
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    I watched it, all of it, big houses etc., she explains, sort of, FISA at the end.... and I've asked you serval times if Obama had probable cause to start an investigation into a Presidential Candidate why didn't he tell us? If he had reason to believe this it must have been big? So big in fact, he was willing to just hand the lives of every American Citizen to the Russians. "The investigation is ongoing." is not an answer.
     
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    I like this new trend of pointing out the lack of evidence accompanying the **** that comes out of the mouths of politicians.

    I hope it continues well into the future, even though it won't.
    I'd like to see it applied to all bullshit statements by politicians, even though it won't.
     
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    As much as you want to convince yourself that your own version of this adds up, is just laughable.

    Obama as everyone knows was against time and that time ran out. He did however obtain enough information to know that Russia interfered in our election.

    You are simply beating your own dead horse argument in the ground by insisting something else could have been done before he left, then hypothetically portraying this as some national security issue that put American lives at risk before Obama left. It could very well be, and I would say when this is all over, that's exactly what will be found out. The trouble is, Obama didn't have all the information at that time and we are not sure we have all of it now. What Obama did do though, with the information he did have, was place more sanctions on the Russians. So it isn't like he did nothing in this short time frame.
     
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    The investigation started when Obama was president did it not?

    Trump becoming president was not a national security issue?
     
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    Trump makes accusations about Cruz's dad too, he just does this nonsense and his supporters eat it up, they love alternative facts more then facts it seems - very sad!!!
     
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    Is that the argument? Are we arguing whether or not Tump is an idiot?
     
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    Trump needed a diversion to draw attention away from the "March 4 Trump" rallies that drew a laughable few hundred people nation wide.

    Maybe he didn't actually win the election with a majority of votes...popular OR electorate. There appears to be more evidence of that than wire taps. Just sayin'.
     
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    Trump announced this at 6am on march 4th. So that doesn't hold much weight.
     
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    Not in the eyes of those who hold weekend talk shows.
     
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    And Democrats keep saying the Russians hacked the election, without a shred of evidence! Get over it!
     
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    Okay, so now you have shown me that my suspicions are correct with these two questions. You really have nothing to offer with this debate other than irrelevant nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.
     
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    Too many Trump voters are too busy with work and family life to be able to travel to one of these events. Unlike the left who don't seem to have jobs keeping them from protesting.

    Ah, now you're going into the conspiracy delusions.
     
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