Trump Organization Is Charged in 15-Year Tax Scheme

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cool story. Can we lock him up now so I don’t have to see you crying about Donald trump every day?
    Want some tissues?
     
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    I don't get the left/right thing on this kind of issue. The ONLY question that matters "Is X a crime?" If it is, follow the letter of the law. What does party have to do with anything?
     
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    Better save your tissues, considering how much crying you do about "the left."
     
  4. MJ Davies

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    Do you think he's not guilty of these crimes

    or

    do you think he shouldn't be charged for them

    or

    do you think he should not have to serve time in prison if convicted

    or

    do you think he should stay out of jail and pay fines?
     
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    Now, now. Fight nice. ;-)
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Prosecutors choose not to prosecute for a lot of reasons, the main one being if they don't feel they have a strong enough case.

    The bigger the case, the greater the pressure to have a tighter case, because the harder it is on a prosecutor's reputation if they blow it on a big target.

    I hate to say it, but when you're at that level, politics is always there, no matter what they say about it.

    It could be the reason Trump isn't being indicted this very minute.
     
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    I’m fine with all of the above if they go through every billionaires taxes with a fine tooth comb the way they do with Trump. These haters have been begging to lock up Trump for years. Still hasn’t happen. Notice the whole “lock her up” thing with Hillary faded out i a year? The left are seething hateful lunatics that want blood. disgusting!
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    For purposes of legal liability it does, for without it, 'should have known' won't get you an indictment by any prosecutor, they know defense counsel
    will tear it to shreds on cross.

    Right?
     
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    Specious comparison. If you copy something that is classified, it's still classified and you are as responsible for that napkin as you would be for the original.

    However, no Prez is going to write the launch codes on a napkin, anyway.

    In Hillary's case, she didn't copy anything, the source doc wasn't marked.

    Goes to legal liability, without markings 'should have known' won't get you an indictment, maybe a formal handslap or something.
     
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  10. MJ Davies

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    Generally speaking, people and companies are chosen for audits all the time. He's been in several businesses for a long time as well. At some point, his turn would come up. Or, are you saying he is being individually targeted for audits that others don't have to go through?

    What or who do you think is targeting him and wants him locked up?
     
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    All this for $113k per year? This investigation is costing more than the whole tax bill.
     
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    The documents establishing the veracity of the 'off the books' scheme are specified and referred to in the charging document. You're spouting nonsense.

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20982368/new-york-v-trump-org-allen-weisselberg.pdf

    Oh, with hard documentation, especially before a NYC jury, this IS going places.
     
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    With Hunter paying for some of Joe’s expenses the Biden’s certainly need to be investigated for tax evasion.
     
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    Bring it on.
     
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    It would not end well for the Biden crime family.
     
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    Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....When actual arrests, indictments and convictions are presented, let me know. Several of Trump’s associates, campaign officials and administration members have actually been arrested and convicted. That’s where the rubber meets the road champ. Real jury’s voting 12-0 to convict or defendants realizing that they are so guilty that they enter into guilty pleas. All of the crap you deal in is just a bunch of hot air with nothing behind it which was fed to you by TV and radio bullshit artists.
     
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    Yet you are blind to the two levels of justice in our country. Biden will be protected by the deep state intelligence community because he is a conduit for their agenda. Trump was a danger to their power and control. Unfortunately there are a lot of sheep easily led by the nose that believe their propaganda.
     
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    I do not doubt that there are two levels of justice in this country. One is for rich elites like Trump and the other is for poor and working class Americans. Hopefully we can hold our government accountable from this point onand even up the playing field. As far as Trump being some kind of helpless victim to this awful terrible “deep state”, give us all a break. Trump has been working the system for decades. He is the deep state personified. You are the one being led by the nose by scumbag liars like Tucker and Sean.
     
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    Trump has never been a member of the political insiders and deep state. There are so many instances of the deep state protecting politicians and unelected bureaucrats and so much evidence they worked against Trump to protect their own power and influence that it's amazing that you are blind to it but not surprising.
     
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    No, the District Attorney that has no authority to charge for federal crimes is spouting nonsense and you are agreeing with the nonsense.
     
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    The Deep State is so powerful that Trump has never managed to bring any of its members to justice.
     
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    No, you are spouting nonsense, DA will prosecute for state crimes ( tax evasion violates, typically, both state and federal ) and cooperate with the US Atty at SDNY on federal.
     
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    Do you listen to yourself?
     
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    Nope! Federal Attorneys will prosecute IRS felonies. This is a slam dunk for Trump. Just more Russia, Russia nonsense with Democrats. No other state or county is going after Trump. Why this particular DA in New York City? Crooked Democrats!
     
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    What does the charging document say? Looks like a state thing to me.

    AS for 'no other', that's really a specious point. This is what is known as a 'maiden voyage' indictment, in that no on before has ever indicted President or his company, and for that reason, given that historically speaking, prosecutors do not like to do maiden voyage ( first time ) prosecutions, but when one is finally executed, that makes it much easier for others who were considering prosecution to do so. We have a criminal investigation in GA, and a civil ( with criminal dimensions ) investigation by the NY AG, and we shall see what the future brings. Moreover, these investigations are open ended, proactive, unconstrained by a deadline, as opposed to reactionary investigations (such as the kind that might follow a murder), and as such, prosecutors like to take their time in order to build an air tight case.
     
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