Trump scolds NATO allies on defense spending

Says the guy who constantly cries about what America does. Pot meet kettle.

 

Cops are supposed to 'protect and serve'. What is your military doing in that respect?

 

You're not alone, there are plenty of people in the US that are tired of the US being world police. Some of us don't even like our local police.

 

Well, when what America does quits negatively impacting wherever you decide to impose yourselves, I'll quit. Fair enough? Right now we're still dealing with the fallout from your impressive Wall Street meltdown, in 2008, and our soldiers are still recovering from having to help you out with your pointless wars.

 

I wish us you could explain that to cops in the US, because that protection part has been off the books for awhile (but that's a conversation for another thread).

 

Hey hey now, our wars aren't pointless, they create jobs (despite those jobs being pointless)

 

Ah yes, jobs. Thanks for the correction.

 

Ya, allot more of our soldiers suffered during your pointless wars. WW1, and WW2 ring a bell?
But, if there was no longer a NATO, Brits wouldn't be in Afghanistan. Next, nobody put a gun to any limey head, and made them get greedy during the housing boom. Talk to your banksters on your side of the pond.

 

You were fighting those wars for the same reason that we were. Because you were attacked. Neither Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada or any of the other countries you routinely bombed, invaded or whose governments (including democracies) you have overthrown since then, even looked at you sideways, let alone threatened military action against America.

https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/united-states-bombings-of-other-countries

 

Why not? They have had larger and better equiped militaries before, internally supplied by some of the most ingenious military engineers the world has ever seen.

Leave them to stand alone against Russia and they will build up their capacity again, meanwhile the USA would lose its forward bases that currenlty extend its umbrella.

 

US has close allies with NATO who went into war with them and stood on their side after 9/11 in Afghanistan. They have further close allies in the world and the US guaranteed them their help over the last decades.
You served in Iraq 2 times and my respect about ... but this is a good example of lousy US politics why you had to serve there 2 times and risk your life for what at least?
War against terror? For sure not... and such things the US should better led be as they should better stay out of things before messing the mess more up as in Libya or to do the job proper after military action is over.

So first step would be that the people in Washington DC switch on the brain before doing things ...

 

Or they could just become US colonies.

 

I think you meant Langley, which is actually in Virginia

 

Yawn, ok. If we took all the wealth out of the U.K, which was taken thru exploitation of the third world, or war you'd be living in a mud hut. The US wouldn't be much better off. But there's a difference between you, and I. I don't have some bullshit hypocrite moral superiority complex, you do. You get off on pointing out America's crap, while ignoring the fact that your neck deep in your own ****.

 

The US went to war in Afghanistan over 9/11. But the war against Al Qaida was over in like... I dunno. Make it 3 weeks. The US spend the remaining 10 years in Afghanistan raging war against the Taliban. And they were willing to hand over Osama Bin Laden.

 

Sigh. Just click the link. It's not biased.
Unlike your perspective.

It reads like an encyclopedia. Quite specific.

My point is I get no impression hardly any posters appreciate the sheer scale of US European military strength.

My point is even after reading that analysis I would still like the US to keep ramping down our costs and influence with NATO and as we leave the bases empty? The host country could take over. Almost all 350 of those out posts and facilities hand those off too. Barring a few strategic ones.

And I mean way down. Like say to just 3 main bases throughout Europe so we still be able to support our European allies and maintain that global foot print.

At this time the United States is the single only Power in the World that can react almost instantly to aggression globally.That King of the Hill status has made us the world's police and I don't want the job.

All countries bitch about how we do things but I don't see them stepping up. Europe is a bunch of spoiled children and it's time for them to leave the nest.

I want a 10 year plan ramping down our NATO commitment and spending by 75% when that ends.

 

Is it really so?

No sarcasm, I am sincerely asking, if NATO in Europe is not that highly tied to USA.

 

Not really ... because the boss of Langley is sitting in a White painted House somewhere in Washington as far as I know ...
but if I think closer about, you can be right at least

 

Not really... Take as example the "Very High Readiness Joint Task Force" of NATO. Not a single US soldier inside!

 

You know, after the American revolution the British did a study and found that US independence was great for them. They didn't have to pay to protect it and retained an excellent trading status. SO when Canada, Australia and New Zealand said they wanted independence, the British jumped at it.
.

 

Among all esle, you bring up Federation, of course. Typical.

May we abstain from THAT kind of topic there? Pleeeeeease??

 

Please, he presented his point in relatively calm manner and gave a source that can be examined. At very least you can not attack him, regardless of what credibility, in your opinion, posesses his source. Be civil, please.

 

Maybe we could compare yours and Catche's sources, and maybe bring some extra ones, and try finding some consensus?

I understand, that a vast military alliance of great number of countries, that on top of that exists for more than a half of century, is a very complicated subjects to investigate and analyse, but.. After all, I assume this is what this forum for. Let's try keeping ourselves calm and give NATO some cold analysis?

 

The U.S. is not billing France for American bases in the Pacific.

 

Actually you are in the demand that NATO countries spend 2% of their GDP on military activities since the US uses the military budget to have bases and troops all over the world (clearly not related to NATO) while the greater percentage of the military budget of other NATO countries is spent on NATO related activities.