Trump son met Russian lawyer after promise of damaging info. on Clinton

GUILTY! GUILTY! He met with an Azerbaijani pop star, Emin Agalarov:

That's true!
I hear he put his hand to his mouth and... coughed.... too!

 

I still don't think it is unusual or in any way illegal for Trump's son to be curious when someone offers dirt on his main challenger in the election, nor that when the proffer appears bogus that he should turn to relaxing retaliatory Russian restrictions on adoptions, what crime is there here?

 

Notnut;

I get it. I sympathize.

Your candidate got walloped at the polls last November. Trump made fools of her, the democrats, the entire mass hysteria (I mean media) and YOU for supporting them.

He carried out his promises to tear down the Obama Legacy and appoint a conservative to the Supreme Court. He took us out of the Paris Accord and order US energy producers to go full speed ahead.

You are still outraged by these POSITIVE FACTS, but--

You can try to connect these dots all you want. You can twist them into a pretzel if it makes you happy. It will never change that the FACT the Russian Collusion Illusion is a hoax. It has always been.

Move on. Be happy. Get a job.

 

It seems like the media overlooks a vital missing element in its claims of collusion; there has to be a quid-pro-quo, there must be at least a mutual exchange of promises between the colluding parties. If this Russian attorney with alleged Kremlin ties really was acting as an agent for Putin and actually had dirt on Hillary which she promised to provide in order to help Trump win, and then actually did deliver the dirt, there was no crime unless Trump or his associates offered something in exchange. What was promised by Trump?

I suppose the intelligence community and DoJ will investigate, summon witnesses and subpoena records, meanwhile we have Junior's email chain, but I haven't seen anything indicating any promises from Trump (Junior, Kushner or Manafort).

This Russian lawyer is an expert on this Magnitsky Act which bars funds and freezes assets of oligarchs that are tied to the Kremlin. Overcoming the Magnitsky Act is something the Kremlin strongly seeks and this could make the Russian lawyer appear to be an agent for that government, but it is also true she would advance the interests of her oligarch clients independent of any ties to Putin so she need not be a Russian agent sent by the government to secure the repeal of Magnitsky.

From what I've read Junior, Kushner and Manafort quickly reached the conclusion this lawyer had no dirt on Hillary and instead discussed the Magnitsky Act. I expect she tried to persuade them this should be repealed, but we have no evidence any promises were made, there was no agreement to work on repealing the Act, it has not been repealed.

Junior, Kushner and Manafort may have been eager to obtain dirt on Hillary and willing to consider whatever the attorney wanted in order to get that dirt, but since the lawyer offered nothing, there was no agreement to anything.

Within a few days of their meeting we get reports of suspected Russian involvement in the DNC and Hillary's computer hacking, a few weeks later Wikileaks starts publishing emails. This could be seen as evidence the Russian lawyer did have dirt on Hillary, so wouldn't one expect her (or Junior, Kushner and Manafort) to follow-up on their meeting?

I think this Russian lawyer, perhaps through government connections, got wind of the Hillary dirt, but she had no control over its release and didn't know what exactly had been found, that she scrambled to set up a meeting hoping to secure review of the Magnitsky Act and offered the publication of unknown dirt she did not control. Likely Junior, Kushner and Manafort sought details on the dirt and timing for it's release, but as the lawyer had no information or control of this nothing could be agreed on.

 

This is a clearly not a case of "Treason" or "Collusion". It gets its fifteen minutes and then will be forgotten. But not quite. What will not be forgotten is the Democrats always calling "Wolf" when the only wolf in sight is Blitzer.

Perhaps one day Trump and those associated with him will do something genuinely wrong but then it will be too late. The Democrats have painted themselves as an overwrought bunch of hysterical teenage girls, screaming at their favorite pop star, an image likely to stick with the public for a long while.

 

Dropping a major money-laundering case against a Russian oligarch was probably one thing, being that's what the Trump admin did immediately upon assuming office. That case had been 10 years in the making, then poof, it was gone, settled for peanuts, all the records sealed. And the Russian lawyer in that case was the same Russian lawyer that went to Trump tower.

So, that's one thing the Mueller team with definitely look at.

 

Wait, Joe Scarborough is a poster here??

 

That's it??? That's all Putin got for all his election changing antics? Meanwhile Russia is getting NOTHING else they want from us, on any other front. If anything, their standing with us is dramatically less now, than it was under Obama.

Wow, I guess Trump really did write the art of the deal.

 

I said it's _one_ thing.

The biggest thing he got was a USA which is now paralyzed on the world stage. The USA is no longer the world leader, having forfeited that role to Russia and China.

 

Is it your contention that the US was a 'world leader' under Barrack Obama? If so, on what grounds? Where were his successes?

 

Really? By what standard? We have the biggest military in history, and the largest economy in history. Really, nobody likes us now, and soon we will have no allies? For real you think this is going on right now?

 

Obama's "world leading" was his "lead from behind" strategy in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. Some call that following but, the snowflakes always redefine the world and the English language to suit themselves.

 

Many of those 'Allies' could be called "Fair Weather Allies".

 

Fair Weather Allies who will continue supporting us as they always have, continue trading with us as they always have, but who just say mean stuff in public. It's all just talk. Nobody wants to boot us from NATO, or any nonsense like this poster claims.

 

Or they read the headlines in the NT Times, and then watch CNN and MSNBC for alternative points of view. They form their world views there.

Making it even more problematic is that they've stopped teaching history in schools.

 

Of course not. They talk tough but don't carry any stick. They are frequently more burdens than 'Allies', as all the American lives lost in European wars can attest.

 

I think we should defend NATO nations, based on a percentage of their adherence to the spending terms. If say, Germany, has only put in around 30% of their pledge on defense spending, we should kick any invaders out of 30% of Germany, or only use 30% of the troops and equipment we normally would.

 

That's been going on forever. All it really accomplishes, is slowing down how quickly young Liberals turn in to old Conservatives. They find the truth eventually.

 

Please feel free to post your evidence that she has never had dealings with any Rusdian officials.

 

Seems the real meat and potatoes here is the dirt on Hillary, but I can see why the left are trying to avoid that part of it and make it about fake news.

 

No yet. But so far everything Trump and Trump Jr. have sais about the Russians and the election and contacts with the Trump team has turned out to be a lie and at this point we only have Trump's word that nothing happened. The Trump record would make the odds very high that this is just another Trump lie.

 

Just a quick google found this...

http://nypost.com/2017/07/05/uncovering-the-russia-ties-of-hillarys-campaign-chief/

 

Pence made a great speech on that subject early in the year and Trump mentioned it often as well.

It's been my feeling that Europeans feel they are so intellectually superior that they can talk their way out of any situation, that everyone, no matter who, will recognize their virtues, see the error of their ways, come to their sense and think along the same lines as the blinkered MittleEuropeans do.

This line of thinking has sparked the world's worst wars, created more deaths ruined more lives, and we're seeing another crisis looming ahead now. We can see why so many emigrated.

 

Not yet. But it is just beginning and everywhere they search Trump lies turn up. No reason to believe Trump when he says nothing happened at the meeting. Used to be in the old days you could presume the President was telling the truth unless proven otherwise. With President Trump it is more logical to assume he is lying until proven otherwise.