Trump Tower blaze kills man on floor without sprinklers

I'm pretty sure being butthurt over an election isn't grounds for a lawsuit regarding a fire.

 

Mueller will be investigating this too. Lol

 

He probably already gave the dead guy immunity to flip on Trump.

 

It'll be a suit against the property managers, no doubt. Whenever there is a death. Code requirements are a joke anyway, you and I both know this.

As far as managed properties are concerned, there ought to be sprinkler systems on every floor. Not having them is knowingly being negligent of possible fire risks.

 

He said he builds the best buildings. Another broken promise.

 

If you adhere to all applicable codes you have no legal jeopardy. Ultimately it's your decision where to live and if you choose to live in an apartment without sprinklers that's your choice.

 

From a code perspective, yes. But from a legal perspective, no. The reason I say this is any property manager worth their salt knows that fire is the principal cause of loss among owned properties.

When it comes to litigation and claims, the plaintiff's lawyers will look to prove that the property managers knowingly did not install sprinklers, which had the adverse effect of compounding risks associated with fires.

This is why liability insurance policies exist.

Whoever the property managers are will be sued, and it will be a successful suit, as it typically is in these sorts of cases.

Did they meet code? Yes. Did they take all reasonable steps to reduce possible causes of loss? No.

 

I have owned rentals and I confirmed to all codes with smoke alarms and cabon monoxide detectors and to code deck railing. My lawyer assured me I was litigation proof but in reality anyone can find a lawyer to persue a suit and with deep pockets like Trump has I'm sure lawyers are lining up to do just that.

 

Thing is, a good property manager would have addressed this. I'm not saying it's POTUS' fault. Whoever manages the property is at fault.

Litigation isn't the issue. The issue here is a poor decision by management which compounded a known risk and made it deadly.

This is absolutely an open and closed case and will go against the property manager. Only an idiot would try and pin it on POTUS.

 

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Be interesting to see if a lawsuit is coming on this and if it does I'd bet big money it goes nowhere. If you are in compliance with all codes they haven't a legal leg to stand on.

 

Do the supporters of illegals have blood on their hands when illegals murder Americans citizens? Trump was in compliance with the regulations, the left supports openly violating the law. I wish the left would show some consistency instead of partisanship.

 

And the fire was contained.

 

Was it negligence that caused people to willingly move into apartments without sprinklers?

 

if this was Obama Tower it would only be one story tall, have a grass roof and exist in Kenya. Stop comparing a moron who has no accomplishments to Trump who has plenty.

 

Totally disagree. Being in an apartment where the fire is contained to just that apartment is similar to having a fire in one's home. If a person has a two story house and the fire is on the second floor, which blocks the only point of escape, then what is the difference between that and the situation we're discussing? For all we know the guy was already dead when the fire started and maybe he dropped a cigarette when he died and that ignited the fire.

Being that fire is a known risk, would you argue that exterior fire escapes should also have been installed?

 

Disagree all you like, at the end of the day, in a high rise, it's negligent to not install a sprinkler system, especially after multiple deadly fires in high rises across the globe the last few decades.

This will be on the property management, since they failed to adequately address a known hazard.

 

You're wrong. Codes are one thing; negligence is another. One can be completely in compliance with building codes but can be proven negligent.

And, it bears repeating, but building codes are often BS.

 

A known hazard is a hazard that already exists, where a known defect is known and proven to exist. There are literally thousands of apartments in NYC without sprinklers, if they were considered to be hazardous then they'd be ordered to update them to code or abandon the buildings until they are. We have hazardous (not defective) roads and intersections, when accidents occur who gets sued?

If Trump gets sued, and he most likely will, it will be because he has deep pockets and suing is practically an American way of life.

 

The property owners didn't practice due diligence in order to mitigate the risk. They clearly knew there was no sprinkler system.

At the end of the day I agree with you, we're too litigious, but we also don't beat/slaughter each other like they do in other nations.

 

The cause of the fire will be the determining factor of the outcome. From the article, the cause seem to be an electrical source which could mean faulty wiring. If so, the building is not "well built" as Trump have claimed it to be.

 

And electrical source could also mean anything electrical within the apartment. Perhaps the guy drew too much current through an extension cord which couldn't handle it.

 

See! It IS Trump's fault!!!

 

The place was within code. Dumb to be outraged.

 

Trump neglected to tell them?

 

Crimes of Trumpery are not accomplishments.