TRUMP wants to take away your guns. Well, some cops and others.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the cop had followed his own rules he never would of put this poor man in a choke hold and he would still be alive today
     
  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly, I knew a guy that got in a bar fight, the guy had a plate in his head, off to prison he went cause the guy died from him punching him in head


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  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes. the cause of the heart attack was the choke hold done to him by the crazy cop

    why no CPR by the cops right away, why let him die?

    wonder if this was a blond 21 year old girl if they would of treated her the same and if she had a heart attack if they would of gave her cpr?

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  4. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IF they have him surrounded, you TALK TO HIM. TELL HIM we have to DISCUSS THIS. If he flinches, ask him not to, and we can proceed.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't know that.

    A guy with that many health conditions with 4 officers on him (lets face it, he was a big dude both in height and weight) could have killed him by itself.

    The coroners report said there was no damage to the airway, what don't you understand about that?

    Bottom line is HE put himself in the situation. The cops were required to arrest him, they weren't going anywhere until he was in custody.

    All he had to do was comply, just like every other person who gets shot....they choose not to. Well, the VAST majority of those shot are not cooperating.

    There are cases where they cooperate and get shot anyway, and yes, the police should be charged in those situations.

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    They did. For quite some time.

    [video=youtube;JpGxagKOkv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGxagKOkv8[/video]
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he died because of the choke hold, he would not of died otherwise, everyone but you can see that

    this cop should of been charged with manslaughter imo

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    No he demonstrably did not. A chokehold that blocks the airway means certain damage to your windpipe. That damage would have shown up on the report. It did not.

    Unfortunately I don't think it's possible to see hypertension, diabetes and asthma.

    The coroners report has already been explained to you, and putting people into chokeholds where blood flow causes death takes about 5 minutes. Obviously he was not in a headlock for 5 mins.

    How many MMA and UFC fighters have died from the exact same headlock?

    [video=youtube;HALf3esHQJ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HALf3esHQJ0[/video]
     
  8. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My bad, I thought you carried CONCEALED carry Insurance.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When they goin let my people go?

    [video=youtube;7PIzc6qDnh8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PIzc6qDnh8[/video]

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    We do, if we're smart.
     
  10. OrlandoChuck

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    The cause of the heart attack was the raise in heart rate from being combative and wrestling with police.. There is nothing anywhere, including the autopsy report to indicate that it was specifically the choke hold.
     
  11. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell me about this. I am pro concealed, in a DRY STATE.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I just left there. Home invasions and getting robbed are going up quite a bit.

    You can buy insurance for self-defense type shootings. I don't think I can list the companies that offer it, there are a few.
     
  13. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dogs got alarm covered. But, when I had an ex employee announce intention to do workplace slaughter, with me the primary target, for his firing for sexual harassment, sending a letter to the head honcho, that I BEGGED HIM NOT TO, I learned. Concealed is necessary for targets, and womens in disputes.
     
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    You realize that your reasoning is the exact same reasoning used to justify universal background checks, total surveillance of everyone, unwarranted searches (DUI checkpoints, stop & frisk, etc), and the infamous case of the cop asking "Can I search your car? You shouldn't mind if you have nothing to hide."

    If you are honest, law abiding, and have nothing to hide, then why are you afraid of universal background checks? Or is the world filled with dishonest people, people with an ulterior motive, and people that just make mistakes?

    I know a lot of honest people (including myself) who will try to avoid an encounter with an often overly suspicious, overbearing, intimidating, time consuming bully with a gun who cares about his own welfare more than yours (and that includes his monetary welfare). Some cops are not like that, but enough are to make avoiding an encounter with them worth your effort. And I deal with cops on a regular basis, I see the games they play on innocent people.
     
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    CPR was not necessary at the time he was on the street. He was heart was beating and he was talking. You don't give CPR unless someone STOPS breathing. He didn't have the heart attack until he was being transported.

    His heart attack was caused from bad health and over exertion when he wrestled with cops. Have you even read the autopsy report? You seem to have some bad information.
     
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    There's a rash of them targeting asian women as they come home right now from what I understand.

    http://www.wtvm.com/story/33164614/will-have-gun-next-time-asian-woman-robbed-at-front-door-says

    They were also on the rise in the San Diego area when I left.
     
  17. OrlandoChuck

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    What are you talking about? They gave him every opportunity to comply before they decided that force was the only way to arrest him.

    They didn't just run up on him and start using force.
     
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    I know this wasn't directed at me but just wanted to put in my 2 cents.

    Stop and frisk in areas that already have huge amounts of crime (i.e. chicago), could potentially prevent a lot of death and crime in general. I'm not advocating it for anywhere it's not specifically needed. Avenues out of an area with a bunch of crack houses? Probably warranted.

    Of course we're against UBC for two reasons: 1. It doesn't work and 2. It means registration of firearms

    I won't argue that there are bad cops, but that largely depends on where you live too.
     
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    They have all had assertion training, use it.
     
  20. OrlandoChuck

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    When police have decided to arrest you, no amount of resistance will change their mind. It will only get you hurt.
     
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    NATIONWIDE, and ENFORCED colorblind Stop and Frisk, SHOULD BE MANDATORY. MAKE IT TRULY RANDOM, so the elites are inconvenienced, or WORSWE, in EQUAL MEASURE.
     
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    Yea, that will reduce crime.
    Stop and frisk is only effective in high crime areas.
     
  23. Guyzilla

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    Of course. BUT, BEG, plead, whimper to the man that they are JUST doing a thankless job. And so, they so prefer that he gets treated without physicality, that they beg.

    Till the job is done. And, the job will get done. And likely just as fast. And, without the turmoil.

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    But, it is the only FAIR IMPOSITION upon the CITIZENRY.
     
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    Sounds pointless and a waste of resources unless they start frisking the democrats.

    Oh I made myself laugh. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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    Yeah looking weak in front of a bunch of gang members is going to work well.
     
  25. OrlandoChuck

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    And a waste of valuable police officer resources.
     

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