TRUMP wants to take away your guns. Well, some cops and others.

"Choke hold by cop killed NY man, medical examiner says"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/

I thought he died there on the spot, did not realize he died on way to hospital, so your right CPR was not needed

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had he died, I would of said manslaughter too, could of trazed him, no need to hit the neck like that, the guy was obviously drunk

people need to comply and cops need to use the least force necessary

now, had the guy took a swing, or something, anything goes

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IMPLIED weakness, in the presence of REAL STRENGTH, is seen as DOMINANT.

 

You never know when you become a target, and the police are only minutes away.

 

HEHEHOHOHAHA. On the return trip FROM MEXICO, the line is YUGE, you have every car and, every person interrogated, and now ID required to reenter.

Going to MExico, you HAVE to pass a traffic light{by foot}, that is almost always unlit. IF the light goes off, ON YOU, they come out, and search you.

 

But he didn't die, nor do thousands of other people each year put in chokeholds.

Garner's death was a result of many factors mostly related to his health, but his airway was not damaged. You don't die from a heart attack from being deprived of oxygen for 30 seconds unless there's something seriously wrong with you to begin with.

Don't resist the police. Comply. Take the arrest. Fight later in court. Live to see another day. Don't force the cops to effect a physical arrest.

Honestly though I think the cop involved wasn't trying to choke him out, Garner was 6'3" and the cop was much smaller. He hit him high to try and bring him down, once he was on the ground he didn't keep choking him for very long.

 

agree, and I do not care if the female had a felony when younger for stealing a car, she should still have the right to protect her home, family and herself with a gun if she feels the need

 

I know, but that's not the point. The point is that a lot of bad things are justified by the "If you have nothing to hide then (fill in with whatever rights violation you want to impose)"

 

people do get hurt badly or die from it, that is why most ban the practice

 

People die from being taken to the ground and cuffed while prone.

People die from being tased.

They just didn't get filmed.

 

yes, but the choke-hold are banned, he had no business using that procedure to kill him

babies die from drinking milk, but you shake a baby to death, it's treated different then accidental deaths

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Check out positional asphyxia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia
it's something that happens as a result of conflict. We teach our officers to monitor for it but sometimes you cannot prevent it.

 

It does not matter what the hold would be classified as. Any move or tactic that involves even touching the neck has been outlawed under all circumstances for the past twenty three years.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-officers.html

Chief Timoney said the city policy specifically did not distinguish between various types of holds, but rather banned them categorically. It also prohibited other restraints or tactics -- like standing on a suspect's chest or transporting a suspect in a face-down position -- which might impede breathing.

"Basically, stay the hell away from the neck," he said. "That's what it says."

 

I understand that and I'm not defending the usage of a chokehold or saying it was appropriate. What I'm saying is that being in a chokehold for about 15 seconds isn't going to kill a healthy person without damaging the airway.

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I understand the choke hold was not allowed.

Shaking any baby can kill it. Putting any in a chokehold or going for the neck, as I demonstrated, only kills you if you have a lot of problems or you are in it for a long time.

 

And the cops could see that before he was choked.

 

Could they see his hypertension, asthma and diabetes too?

 

X-Ray vision ?

 

I saw a You Tube video of an obese Mexican guy, 4 cops were trying to handcuff him perched like birds on his back, he was not resisting, he died in short order, I suspect some type of respitory failure, treat people roughly, and they may die.

https://youtu.be/PbI5HHz7fJU

NYPD outlawed the chokehold / sleeper for a good reason, it is not temporary loss of blood to the brain that often proves fatal, it is the return of blood flow.

 

choking anyone to unconsciousness can kill them too

 

He didn't wrestle with the police - unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary, then please feel free to do so.

 

so the cops viciously attacked a disabled man showing no signs of being violent and killed him is what your saying

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they meant when he was struggling to try and breath, that is called resisting in some peoples minds, you don't really need to breath

 

Then why were such holds banned under all circumstances in the state of New York if they were insufficient to kill healthy individuals in a short amount of time?

Depending on what hold is used, death can occur immediately if the blood flow to the brain is restricted. It takes only seconds for the person to succumb and die.

 

It has certainly happened before. Two police officers in the state of California beat a mentally disabled man to death while holding him down, even when he was physically unable to resist and was begging for help.

 

Are choke holds banned in every police force? If not, it's just a local policy.

Death does not occur immediately in a choke hold. If it did we'd have a graveyard full of just MMA and UFC fighters.

 

it's crazy.....