Trump's communications with a foreign leader sparked whistleblower complaint

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  1. Pollycy

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    Let's hope that the Ukrainian government "tells all" about the involvement of Hunter Biden AND his daddy in this interesting story. Let's hear it all -- good, bad, and ugly. Like I said about Mueller's marathon 'Russia Investigation', let the truth come out... why should anyone want to keep anything hidden...?

    As far as Hillary and that Rosatom thing is concerned, you may find this interesting: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...f-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one
     
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    The U.S are self-serving. They truly believe that only they have yhe exclusive right to tell American people how to think. They are above the law.They feel threatened by Trump and fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo and their own privileges.

    Pew: US media bias ranks worst in the world

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-us-media-bias-ranks-worst-in-the-world


    The U S media is fully responsible for ever widening divisions within the U.S society. The liberal media outlets aren't informing, they're spreading propaganda and their own opinions as news.
     
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    www.google.com

    Hell trump himself said they listen in regularly and he knows they do. The only people who are questing that part of the story at the blind partisans.
     
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    If this was Hillary the right would be loosing the ever loving minds right now.

    Ask yourself a simple question ? Why is an unconfirmed “appointed” official allowed to say “nope, I’m not going to follow he law here” ?
     
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    None of the allegations from the dossier have been proven. No peepee tapes even. You are only concerned if it bolsters or reinforces your agenda. I call that hypocrisy. Please link where the IG has released ANY statement about this complaint. The only claims about what the IG has said have been "unconfirmed" reports from CNN, WaPo and little Adam Schid. You don't even know who filed the complaint. You don't know when they filed this complaint. You don't know what the complaint contained. You don't know where they filed the complaint. You don't know if ANY laws were broken. This issue is even flimsier than that phony "peepee tape" crap you folks bought into, where a presidential candidate paid a foreign agent that got information from Russians for information to swing an election and possibly remove a sitting president that you aren't concerned about. Your moral high ground and righteous indignation is as phony as the fictional "peepee tapes". Also the RNC didn't pay for any part of the dossier. Nobody ahs claimed that until you did just now. The claim was made that the Free Beacon paid for the dossier but that has been debunked but we are used to people from the left using an already debunked lie to further their dishonest claim.
     
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    Except thafs a fictional retelling of what happened. If anyone broke us laws then I’m sure the doj can handle it. On what planet should a us president tell another country to investigate a is citizen that they haven’t charged with anything either??
    I swear you guys act like trump will be president forever with the **** you let slide.
     
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    Hillary lost so we'll never know. Which law are you referring to?
     
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    I thought so.
     
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    If only there was even one shred of proof or truth to that

    Sadly there isn't
     
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    I'm not anymore... Doesn't seem like we have an independent AG anymore... very scary that the head law official in the United States is an open partisan...
     
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    Been posted in here at least 3 times, but OK.... Let's go for #4...

    SNIP
    (b) Not later than the end of the 14-calendar day period beginning on the date of receipt of an employee complaint or information under subsection (a), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. Upon making such a determination, the Inspector General shall transmit to the head of the establishment notice of that determination, together with the complaint or information.

    (c) Upon receipt of a transmittal from the Inspector General under subsection (b), the head of the establishment shall, within 7 calendar days of such receipt, forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees, together with any comments the head of the establishment considers appropriate.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode05a/usc_sec_05a_01000008---H000-.html

    Law(b) met successfully

    Law(c) broken... smashed.... destroyed.... ignored... As of 9/3/19
     
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    Since the young Biden was involved with the Ukrainian during a prior administration (president) in Ukraine and many PM changes and a few prosecutor general changes has any evidence which may have existed been "lost". I would like it if there was an honest investigation conducted without duress from the current US administration or the prior one.

    Read this link about Uranium One which was a Canadian company now controlled by a Russian State owned company. Nothing good came of this. The writers of this did say that the accusations against were "unproven". No one especially me would ever want Russian to control any company in the West be it Apple Sauce, uranium, or Zoombas.
    ihttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One
     
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    The first two year (i)nquiry is at least partially due to Trump not agreeing to an interview with Mueller.

    If any new or current investigation takes that long, it'll be due to the continued obstruction and cover ups from President Transparency....
     
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    FFS you go off on a rant and get absolutely nothing right

    1. The Free Beacon issued a statement in the beginning claiming it stopped funding Fusion GPS, but then curiously, when caught in that lie they also claimed that the original funding came from “an unknown GOP client”. But you keep ahold of that hypocrisy.

    2. I never said I knew who filed the complaint. FFS man I actually said many times in my post “IF” they are true.

    3. The IG DID say that the complaint was “credible” and ‘urgent”, that’s NOT up for debate. You literally need to stop watching Fox News. The “credible” and “urgent” are why congress knows that the complaint was filed. Try to keep up here. I know its hard when you watch the master of Fake News, Faux News”. But do try to keep up. The IG says it needs to go to congress, well, because thats the LAW, so he turned it over to the unconfirmed Trump appointee Joe Maguire who is refusing to give it to Congress. So I’ll ask a very simple question: Do you support the Trump administration breaking the law by not giving this complaint to congress ? It’s a SIMPLE QUESTION

    There may be no there, there, but the LAW is the law and it needs to go to congress. And the reporting says that it is about Trump asking for help from the Ukrainians to get dirt on the son of a politician opponent. And that he used American Financial Aid to the Ukraine as leverage. And the reporting on these things usually pans out to be true on the substantive parts of what happened. BUT, as I have said throughout my posts..IF ITS TRUE, do you think that what Trump is accused of doing is OK ?
     
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    The laws says he has to turn all “credible” whistleblower claims over to congress
     
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    Thanks again for proving Fox News is the real “Fake News”.
     
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    I, myself, do not.... any more than I support Steve Mnuchin breaking the law by refusing to turn over Trumps taxes, following a valid request...

    But Maguire will skate, because Congress lacks the will or cojones or something else to force him to follow the law....

    Contempt of Congress?? Until somebody is jailed for these offenses, I have full contempt of Contempt of Congress...
     
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    Same old prattle of the big bad media is being mean to Our Dear Leader.
     
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    "Somebody said something" Is that same as the "somebody did something " quote by a Toddler Congresswoman?
     
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    Congress is spineless.

    Its been amazing to watch the lawlessness in Washington for the last 20 years. When Bush and Turd Blossom refused subpoenas and no one was held accountable, they set the standard that the law really isn’t the law anymore. The simple fact that anyone in Washington when served a subpoena can say “no thanks”, kinda says it all. Try that when he cops come to your door and see what happens.

    Personally, I think that Washington is spineless for a very simple reason. They are all corrupt in some way, and when they hold one of them actually accountable to the law, they realize that that precedent may be used against them at some point. Thus.....NOBODY is accountable

    And the idea that the President of the United States cannot be “indicted” basically means that during their presidency they cannot be held accountable for anything they do, and that they are LITERALLY above the law.

    America is truly dying a little every day. These “elected officials” think they are a monarchy, and they are treating the american people as their subjects
     
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    No that is the factual account and we discuss international crime with other countries routinely.
     
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    Stop hiding the whistleblower complaint from Congress as if it were your tax returns that you repeatedly promised the American People you would release!

    To summarize,


    The whistleblower complaint reportedly concerns Trump's communications with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that the Trump regime has suppressed.

    The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump asked Zelensky eight times to investigate Hunter Biden.

    Did Trump pressure Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden, the Democratic 2020 presidential candidate*, and his son, Hunter, to try to undermine a political rival would amount to an abuse of power?

    Trump said it "doesn't matter" if he asked Ukraine to investigate Biden.

    Trump's private lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, repeatedly tweeted allegations of Biden corruption, at one point alleging, wile offering no evidence, of “bribery, extortion, money laundering and fraud” by the Biden family.​

    Current Ukrainian Secretary General Yuriy Lutsenko said that he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son.

    The inspector general for the director of national intelligence (DNI), Michael Atkinson, said in a Sept. 9 letter that the matter involves an "urgent concern," which is defined as "a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law." Atkinson said a preliminary review found the complaint credible.

    Such whistleblower complaints are normally reported to Congress, but Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, has blocked access by Congress.

    The inspector general said he requested authorization to at the very least disclose the “general subject matter” to Congress but had not been allowed to do so. He said the information was “being kept” from Congress.

    Giuliani first denied that he urged Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, and then admitted that he had - “Of course I did!” Giuliani said during one of his rambling interviews.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-whistleblower-standoff-explained/2388648001/

    * Trump had requested that a hostile foreign power, Russia, assist him in his 2016 presidential campaign: “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing!” and the FBI, NSA, CIA, and Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed

    "We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."
    Is Trump, who has confessed that he would again welcome foreign interference in a US election if it helped him, about to issue his 2020 campaign song?

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    In reality, after The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump asked Zelensky eight times to investigate Hunter Biden, Ukrainian Secretary General Yuriy Lutsenko said that he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son.

    Now, let the Trump regime allow Congress to fulfill its oversight responsibilities by providing the whistleblower complaint - as is normally done - rather than being hellbent on hiding it.
     
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    To cut the long story short. A summary of yours deleted simply because it's a cospiracy theory, not a sumnary.

    Ukrainian official denies Trump pressured president

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ian-official-denies-trump-pressured-president

    Trump made you look like fools again. Will you ever learn?
     

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