Trump's military put into perspective

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Dash41, Sep 8, 2020.

  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It still takes time. It requires deciding to do it. Designing it. Approving the design. Constructing tooling. Arranging subcontractors. Obtaining raw materials and finally construction which itself likely takes months. I have worked in the aerospace business. There are some things you simply cannot speed up. Especially in these days when they are so sophisticated.

    So, provide all this proof that China can do it that quickly.
     
  2. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The democrats were criticizing Trump and trying impeach him almost before he became president.
     
    quiller and NightOwl like this.
  3. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Has nothing to do with him effectively fulfilling his duties and exhibiting leadership
     
  4. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You mean you can't debate with someone who actually knows what is going on and you cannot find support for your position.
     
  5. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In other words you can find no support for your position.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2020
  6. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
  7. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    After I retired from the Air Force, where I understood the procurement process, I worked for a couple of aerospace companies and then retired again. I have up close and personal knowledge and know what it takes to get a sophisticated piece of equipment into production and out into the field.

    Please elaborate on your vast experience in the area.
     
    quiller likes this.
  8. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    It's only been 4 years since they implemented new strategies.


    In 2015, the CCP Central Committee elevated the MCF Development Strategy to a national-level strategy to serve as a “bridge” between the PRC’s national development strategy and its national security strategy that seeks to build an “integrated national strategic system and capabilities,” all of which support the PRC’s goal of national rejuvenation.
     
  9. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Your experience is irrelevant. China does not obey to your experience or the processes that you learned
     
  10. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In other words, you have no experience on which to base your opinion and have failed to provide one shred of evidence.
     
    quiller likes this.
  11. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You have no idea what I did in the military or what rank I achieved. You have zero experience in the field and provide no references.
     
  12. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You have zero experience. You provide no references.
     
  13. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    You have been officially dismissed until you can give an argument of substance, your "experience" is not substance because it can't be fact checked nor do I care what you have done when I have defense intelligence at my fingertips
     
  14. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering. A masters degree in management. I retired from the Air Force as a major. I worked as an aerospace engineer for Eagle Picher and Lockheed Martin.

    Show me where in the department of defense intelligence that China surpassed the US because of Trump. They have been working on it for many decades.
     
    NightOwl likes this.
  15. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    They implemented new defense strategies in 2015, since then they have gotten stronger and more developed. trump has aided in that with trade wars that have give them more money.

    your conversation is irrelevant at this point. I’m not interested in your fake credentials. Please provide me with real facts that shows China has not gotten stronger in the past 5 years and that it takes them the same amount of time as the US when all intelligence and evidence points to them developing faster than us but I will let you live in whatever fairytale it is that you live in
     
  16. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump took office in 2017. According to you, the implemented new defense strategies in 2015.
    You made all sorts of assumptions and then when I provide them, you call them fake. That is why I did not do it to start with. It is not worth the effort.
     
  17. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes they have gotten stronger in the past five years. Obviously started before Trump took office.
     
  18. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Throughout 2019, the PLAA also continued to implement the major PLA-wide structural reforms that began in late 2015 and improving its combat readiness.

    They have been working on their current combat readiness for 4 years my man. Not sure why you are blind to their capabilities
     
  19. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Lol you're hopeless. They started a reform in 2015 and Trump has done nothing to stop them, therefore he plays a huge role in their development
     
  20. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,502
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Obama did nothing to stop them and there is no therefore.
     
  21. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    You also for some reason keep saying decades. I get it America is way to slow in weapon development and combat readiness. We need to get our act together and implement faster more efficient strategies. But just because we are slow doesn't mean everyone else is. Wake up
     
  22. Dash41

    Dash41 Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2020
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump took office 1 year later. You can't be serious right now. Trump has says he is so tough on China but 2019 was their biggest year in development and weapon creation. You are not worth my time anymore
     
  23. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,640
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And yet, Democrats repeatedly tell us we need to cut military spending.
     
  24. NightOwl

    NightOwl Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2020
    Messages:
    2,812
    Likes Received:
    3,088
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The chinese have been developing their military tech for quite some time now. Its mostly stolen tech, implemented rather crudely, but they still have it. Not sure what a chinese military buildup in progress for the last 20+ years has to do with Trump exactly. Unless this is just another Trump bashing thread, which is clearly the only intent. We still have way better tech than china, any day of the week.
     
  25. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,640
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And even with all those ships, they have no blue-water capacity to project force.
     
    Josh77 likes this.

Share This Page