Trump's military put into perspective

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  1. Dash41

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    Aircraft Carriers. In December 2019, the PRC commissioned its first domestically built aircraft carrier, Shandong, which launched in 2017 and completed multiple sea trials during 2018-2019. The new carrier is a modified version of the Liaoning (Soviet Kuznetsov) design and likewise uses a skijump takeoff method for its aircraft. China continued work on its second domestically built aircraft carrier in 2019, which will be larger and fitted with a catapult launch system.

    What about what they did under trump?
     
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    It does not mean they are any faster than we are either.

    You are the one who brought up "20 years ago" or some such comment. That is two decades.
     
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    What is your point. Orange man bad because China made an aircraft carrier? We did you want him to do - bomb the Chinese shipyard making? Gimme a break.
     
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    That is when they started developing 20 years ago.

    They now develop new and modernized weapons every couple years
     
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    Yes Trump is horrible. He is the one who basically paid for their developments with piss poor trade deals and poor UN negotiations. He is horrible
     
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    The only thing uneducated here seems to be your perspective on Chinese military development - which clearly suffers logical fallacies because its being viewed through orange man bad glasses.
     
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    Please tell us more! You just wasted 4 pages on a political forum arguing about the Chinese military because you really just wanted to say you didn't like Trump.
     
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    Actually it wasn't about trump it was about how over the past 2 decades we let china get more powerful than us.

    But since you brought up trump yes let's make him the focal point. He openly states how hard he is on china but turns around and bends over for them on trade deals and allows them to destroy our business firms. Continue praising him
     
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    Obviously construction started a long time before Trump became president. It was launched in 2017. It took them two years to complete the sea trials. I thought they were fast.
     
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    Not sure how the department of defense intelligence is not credible but I guess your trump spirit will surely lead me in the right direction right lol
     
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    So trump thought this to be ok right? they are on the brink of owning the entire china sea under trumps nose and you are so focused on how fast they develop a missile. Wake up and get a grip on reality. it really doesnt matter how long it took them to make a stupid missile. they are gaining economic and global superiority over the US while trump is in office. That is the problem.
     
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    If she has a ski-jump, she isn't really an aircraft carrier.
    Ask the Soviets- they considered these ships to be "heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers".
    Through copying an existing design, they advanced to a level of technology that was obsolete when it was first launched back in the early 80s.
    Wow. Damn that Trump.
     
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    Says the person who cannot offer a sound rebuttal.
     
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    I would argue they are not. Aircraft carriers are obsolete tech. If China wants to waste a billion dollars building one just to say they have one well hoorray for them. We can destroy it with the push of a button from half a world away with an unmanned stealth drone and a couple of smart bombs. The USA has far more real and usable force projection capability and implementation ability than China can hope to achieve anywhere in the near future. The simply don't have the allies or the reach.
     
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    Now I know why you aren't in US intelligence positions
     
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    :lol:
    More powerful than us
    :lol:
    Back in the real world, China can only maybe invade and take Taiwan.
     
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    You clearly didn't read the original post. I would really suggest you do. They are beating the US on many military frontiers.
     
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    Says he who can offer no sound rebuttal.
     
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    This was a highly uneducated reply
     
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    I have not once mentioned a missile.
    They have already gained superiority and that began long before Trump was president.
     
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    Then I suggest you take it up with the 4 star general that made that statement
     
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    Reasoned, intelligent people who can carry on a conversation and make their points with demonstrable facts and valid reasoning.
    Thus, I understand why it sounds like Attic Greek to you.
     
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    No they gained military superiority in 2019. They have not gained economic superiority, but with trump continuing what he is doing they will.
     
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    You have not proved a point at all but somehow in your mind you are the intelligent voice in this conversation? Nice brother
     
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    :lol:
    Another failure to offer a sound rebuttal.
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