Trump's military put into perspective

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  1. TOG 6

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    No. I openly questioned yours.
    In each case, you failed to offer a sound rebuttal.
    Thus - Attic Greek.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    You haven't questioned anything, you simply replied with an assumption, our friend kriman on the other hand actually is providing a solid conversation
     
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    Nothing in your OP negates my answer, nor my assertion that this is just another TDS tantrum without supporting evidence for your unfounded statements.
     
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    Now you're just lying to yourself.
     
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    And thats great. But your conflation of China's military industrial buildup over the last 20 years with the Trump presidency is clearly incorrect and not even believable. As you get further into your TDS hole it becomes more evident that the only aim here is to troll. Its just another hysterical anti trump post, but hey, its another day of the week.
     
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    Lol
     
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    I hope you aren't a manager or in charge of citizens
     
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    Non response. Looks like I hit the nail on the head.
     
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    Says he who can offer no sound rebuttal.
     
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    Im the owner.
     
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    That was a highly uneducated reply
     
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    Page 11.

    I did you the curtesy of posting it but go reference it. I know you didn't read any of it because it's 200 pages and you need people to do the hard work for you. Lucky for you i read all 200 pages
     
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    Also where in the doc does it say its Trump's fault?
     
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    Demonstrate, with citations and in detail, how these marvels of Chinese Military and industrial prowess have more capacity to project military power than the carriers the US Navy scrapped in the 90s.
     
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    Right where they began a regime in late 2015 and early 2016 and then when trump took presidency they got stronger from his trade negotiations and poor UN negotiations. But hey everything is rainbows and the economy is rebounding right lol
     
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    He stared with "I hate Trump" and worked backwards from there.
     
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    Dude read the report or stop replying
     
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    Ha ha ha right. Page 11 eh... Lets see. Im game.
     
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    I see you failed to copy and paste the text that makes the statement you claim.
    Because it isn't there.
     
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    Ah. You cannot support your point.
    What a surprise.
     
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    Don't worry big daddy will appease your requests my darling

    > In 2019, the PLA continued to make progress implementing major structural reforms, fielding modern indigenous systems, building readiness, and strengthening its competency to conduct joint operations. > China has already achieved parity with—or even exceeded—the United States in several military modernization areas, including: – Shipbuilding: The PRC has the largest navy in the world, with an overall battle force of approximately 350 ships and submarines including over 130 major surface combatants. In comparison, the U.S. Navy’s battle force is approximately 293 ships as of early 2020. China is the top ship-producing nation in the world by tonnage and is increasing its shipbuilding capacity and capability for all naval classes. – Land-based conventional ballistic and cruise missiles: The PRC has developed its conventional missile forces unrestrained by any international agreements. The PRC has more than 1,250 ground-launched ballistic missiles (GLBMs) and ground-launched cruise missiles (GLCMs) with ranges between 500 and 5,500 kilometers. The United States currently fields one type of conventional GLBM with a range of 70 to 300 kilometers and no GLCMs. – Integrated air defense systems: The PRC has one of the world’s largest forces of advanced long-range surface-to-air systems—including Russian-built S-400s, S-300s, and domestically produced systems—that constitute part of its robust and redundant integrated air defense system (IADS) architecture. Developments in the PLA’s Modernization and Reform > The People’s Liberation Army Army (PLAA) is the largest standing ground force in the world. In 2019, the PLAA continued to transition into a modern, mobile, and lethal ground force by fielding upgraded combat systems and communications equipment and enhancing its ability to conduct and manage complex combined-arms and joint operations. > The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)—the largest navy in the world—is an increasingly modern and flexible force that has focused on replacing previous generations of platforms with limited capabilities in favor of larger, modern multi-role combatants. As of 2019, the PLAN is largely composed of modern multi-role platforms featuring advanced anti-ship, antiair, and anti-submarine weapons and sensors. – Naval Shipbuilding and Modernization: The PLAN remains engaged in a robust shipbuilding and modernization program that includes submarines, surface combatants, amphibious warfare ships, aircraft carriers, and auxiliary ships as well as developing and fielding advanced weapons, sensors, and command and control capabilities.
     
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    No where in this text does it say what you are asserting.

    Ok here is page xi in the summary
    RESOURCES AND TECHNOLOGY FOR FORCE MODERNIZATION > The PRC’s long-term goal is to create an entirely self-reliant defense-industrial sector—fused with a strong civilian industrial and technology sector—that can meet the PLA’s needs for modern military capabilities. > The PRC has mobilized vast resources in support of its defense modernization, including the implementation of its MCF Development Strategy, as well as espionage activities to acquire sensitive, dual-use, and military-grade equipment. > In 2019, the PRC announced its annual military budget would increase by 6.2 percent, continuing more than 20 years of annual defense spending increases and sustaining its position as the second largest military spender in the world. The PRC’s published military budget omits several major categories of expenditures and its actual military-related spending is higher than what it states in its official budget. Science and Technology Goals Supporting Military Modernization > China seeks to become a leader in key technologies with military potential, such as AI, autonomous systems, advanced computing, quantum information sciences, biotechnology, and advanced materials and manufacturing. > China has invested significant resources to fund research and subsidize companies involved in strategic S&T fields while pressing private firms, universities, and provincial governments to cooperate with the military in developing advanced technologies. > China continues to undermine the integrity of the U.S. science and technology research enterprise through a variety of actions such as hidden diversions of research, resources, and intellectual property. Foreign Technology Acquisition > The PRC pursues many vectors to acquire foreign technologies, including both licit and illicit means. The PRC’s efforts include a range of practices and methods to acquire sensitive and dual use technologies and military-grade equipment to advance its military modernization goals. > The PRC leverages foreign investments, commercial joint ventures, mergers and acquisitions, and state-sponsored industrial and technical espionage, and the manipulation of export controls for the illicit diversion of dual-use technologies to increase the level of technologies and expertise available to support military research, development, and acquisition. > In 2019, the PRC’s efforts included efforts to acquire dynamic random access memory, aviation, and anti-submarine warfare technologies.

    and page 11 in the document body.
    ECONOMIC POLICY Key Takeaways > China’s military modernization objectives are commensurate with and part of China’s broader national development aspirations. China’s economic, political, social, and security development efforts are mutually reinforcing and support China’s strategy of national rejuvenation. > The Party prioritizeseconomic development as the “central task” and the force that drives China’s modernization across all areas, including its armed forces. > China’s economic development supports its military modernization not only by providing the means for larger defense budgets, but through deliberate Party-led initiatives such as OBOR and Made in China 2025, as well as the systemic benefits of China’s growing national industrial and technological base. > China’s tools of economic statecraft include inducements such as infrastructure investments under OBOR; industrial and technology policies such as Made in China 2025 that seek foreign technology transfers in exchange for market access; protectionist policies and legal barriers for foreign firms to compete in China’s domestic market; selective observance of trade commitments; and economic coercion against other states. China’s military modernization objectives are commensurate with and part of China’s broader national development aspirations and work in coordination with China’s economic policies and systems. China’s leaders directly link the pace and scale of the PLA’s modernization with the country’s overall development. China’s economic, political, social, and military development efforts are mutually reinforcing and support its strategy of national rejuvenation. The Party prioritizes China’s economic development as the “central task” and frames its economic system as the means of advancing the nation’s overall political and social modernity. In particular, China’s economic statecraft focuses intensely on advancing what the Party calls the country’s “productive forces” (e.g., industry, technology, infrastructure, and human capital) which it views as the means to achieve the country’s political and social modernity—including building a “world-class” military. The party-state’s relentless efforts to grow and mature China’s national industrial and technological base has significant implications for China’s military modernization, as well as for China’s global economic partners. Rather than a repudiation of the Party’s fundamental ideals, CCP leaders have cast China’s partial adoption of market features, part of its “reform and opening up” beginning in the late 1970s, and subsequent economic transformation, as evidence that their strategy to modernize China is succeeding.
     
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