Tump makes the worst act of his Presidency

Iran agreed to have their Military bases inspected? You'll need to prove that.

 

So you think Husseins loyalists should have remained in power? Sunnis should have been excluded ... again? Representative government, democracy ... heard of it?

 

I have an opinion. Other people have another one. Since there is no credible evidence either way, there is no universal truth. There are only opinions. Yours and mine disagree.

A curious statement. I put little stock in what the wingnut media or any other media says these days.

An agreement between governments should never be based on trust - especially when one of the governments wants death to the other. Fortunately we aren't continuing to make stupid agreements.

 

Representative government? Every member who were part of the Baarthist party were sacked including gardeners, every one in the army, cleaners and then were thrown on the scrapheap with no income to support their families. It is your beloved democracy that led to the closer relationship of Iraq with Iran. The US do not like democracy in the Middle east

 

Husseins loyalists needed to be purged, and naturally in the absence of Assad the remnants of the totalitarian regime sought out new benefactors. Iran, extreme, and generously supportive of bloodthirsty fanatical political / religous sects was the obvious choice.

 

No. It just tells everyone with a lick of sense that Bibi is as much a lying slimeball as Cheney was when he made up his own spy story about WMDs in Iraq. And that Republicans are just as gullible today as they were back then.

Thanks for trying, though

 

Don't blame me for your ignorance and save your sarcasm for something for which you have a clue about which you speak.

What part of "representative democracy" excludes a segments of the population based on religious belief. You contradict yourself from one sentence to the next.

It is hard to find a general or military analyst (with any credibility) that does not think we completely screwed the pooch by installing a strictly Shia regime.

Go do at least a little research and get back to me.

 

I can tell you one thing: Google is your friend. Wingnut media is your enemy.

Not sure what you have heard or what you want. IAEA can inspect military bases

http://iran-times.com/will-allow-nuke-inspectors-on-military-bases/

Here's a story that mentions one such inspection at the Parchin Military Base.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/j...mpletes-investigation-into-irans-nuclear-past

Fact is that they squirm and moan whenever a military base is to be inspected. Which is understandable. After all, these are military bases. However, the IAEA has had access to every single site they have wanted to inspect.

 

Sure I do. It was about treason.

Which is why you're for it, obviously.

 

But............it isn't the rest of the world that is ignoring reality........it's Don.

Iran Nuclear Deal: Debunking the Myths

https://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/

 

US revs up reversal of Iraq's Baath purge

https://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0423/p01s04-wome.html

The purge of Baathists was probably the single biggest mistake of the occupation.
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"The report does not hold back in its conclusion about the effects of the policy.

“The order had consequences. It made the task of reconstructing Iraq more difficult, both by reducing the pool of Iraqi administrators and by adding to the pool of the unemployed and disaffected, which in turn fed insurgent activity.”

Later British efforts to urge a “pragmatic approach” in its implementation were said to have had “little practical effect.”

By then, the report states, the decision had alienated “tens of thousands of rank-and-file Baathists,” and created a major grievance of Sunnis and “a source of sustenance for the insurgency in Iraq as late as 2007.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/britai...er-at-americans-for-de-baathification-policy/

 

Will people never learn? This is like saying that Trump loyalists need to be purged. :/

 

What reality is the "rest of the world" ignoring ? The idea that Britain, France and Germany do not care about nuclear proliferation is patent nonsense.

Was it China and Russia that allowed nuclear proliferation ? No it was the west which includes the US.

What were we doing while North Korea was building a nuke ? - Fighting a useless war based on lies and economic interest in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Did we have weapons inspectors running around North Korea ? How is having weapons inspectors in Iran not a whole lot better than what the situation in North Korea was ?

Did sanctions stop North Korea from building nukes ?

What is the upside of pulling out of the agreement ? When you answer this question - compare to the downside.

 

Sure. Because Trump supporters condone the killing of political dissidents? There's a purge that's going on in the US. FBI / DOJ ranks are being purged of corrupt agency officials. Trumps cabinet has also undergone a purge of sorts. Dictatorships don't police themselves the way democracies do.

 

"You are entitled to your own opinion You are not entitled to your own facts." (can't remember who said that first)

An opinion that contradicts facts is not an opinion. It's dogma.

That's the point. There is evidence one way. As a matter of fact, all the evidence points in the same direction.

What should it be based on?

 

Weapons inspectors that actually aren't allowed to inspect anything are not better than no inspectors at all. Oh and for what it's worth Iran never signed the agreement, meaning that in fact there was never an agreement to begin with. And the upside of course is that recognizing reality is always better than playing let's pretend. And by the way neither country would be doing nuclear technology without extensive help from China and Russia.

 

NIce website too bad it doesn't address anything I've said...

 

Nonsense, in what way was it binding when they retained everything they needed to make a nuke whenever they wished?

 

Not when the facts are in dispute

It should be based on facts but we don't have facts. There is no effective verification system in the arrangement. Saying that there is no evidence of Iran cheating is not the same thing as saying that we have access to all the sites, have inspected all of them and we can say confidently that Iran is not cheating. Common sense says they have been cheating all along and we don't have ability to catch them at it. The U.S. is not allowed to inspect anything. The UN is not allowed on military facilities. Of course there is no evidence.

 

Your claim that the weapons inspectors inspect nothing is false.

And your evidence for the above claim is ?

 

They are free to try, we are now free to do whatever it is we see fit to stop them. Without the shackles of Obama's failures the US has an opportunity to change Iran's future without having to bow to them, pay them, or otherwise debase ourselves in the eyes of the world...

 

Your understanding of the Iran deal is as lacking as Trump's.

If they didn't comply, sanctions from participating countries would be re-implemented. All the participating countries. That's the point!!! Sanctions from the U.S. alone accomplishes nothing.

 

Not to you. You just made up your own and are sticking to them.

Correction: you don't have facts. Those of us who don't live with our head stuck in Hannity and Limbaugh's ass and instead read the news know that those who have actually inspected compliance have come to the unequivocal assessment that they have complied. Absolutely nothing even hints to the contrary..

 

Not bloody likely not once they got people in there building crap. That's the only reason the Euros are resisting now is because they're making money