Tump makes the worst act of his Presidency

Logic it is well and widely known at this point that the Iranians never signed the deal, ask any one what a deal is worth that one of the two parties that are party to it never signed..

 

LOL. Let's assume, incorrectly I should add, that the deal was not signed. Why would a signature make any difference?

 

You are not legally bound by anything you do not sign. Try walking out of the bank with the money without first signing the loan.

 

Verification.

 

LOL. "Legally bound"! In which jurisdiction ?

 

All of them.

 

Sure Iran is complying with the "deal" because the "deal" had no limitations on weapons, missiles, or importation of weapons:

On 22 July 2015, Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s deputy foreign minister who led the negotiations, made an announcement on state-controlled television that the recently reached nuclear deal with the world powers did not include limitations on Iran’s weapons capabilities or missile power and that Tehran would keep arming its regional allies. "We have told them [the P5+1 world powers] in the negotiations that we will supply arms to anyone and anywhere necessary and will import weapons from anywhere we want and we have clarified this during the negotiations," Araghchi said.[16]

In a speech the following Saturday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei added, "Our policy will not change with regards to the arrogant US government."

Only Leftist Marxist Democrats would accept this kind of deal. Like Chamberlain with Hitler, the "Peace thru Appeasement" leftists delude themselves to believe radical Muslim fanatics that call for Death to America and Death to Israel, can be trusted.

 

So stupid......

Why would they violated the deal, they got to have Nukes, and billions of dollars in cash?

Why would they change anything?

 

They are prohibited from developing nuclear weapons by the Non Proliferation Treaty which they did actually sign.

 

So no answer from you

 

Yea, so? The deal is about nuclear weapons.

 

Some good can come from this, the office of the president might become more limited because of this and other less obvious reasons.

 

That is an answer there is no jurisdiction in which you can be held to a contract you never signed.

 

I'l ask the question again since clearly you did not understand it. What difference does it make whether this deal was signed or not, in practice?

 

Iran is complying with "the deal". It is then worth something.

 

Sorry arrant nonsense. They are doing what they wish to do whenever they wish to do it. The agreement has nothing to do with that.

 

It means that they cannot be held accountable and they will do whatever they wish to do with relative impunity.

 

You just don't get it. Let me make it easier for you. Are you saying that the US would have stayed in the deal if both countries had signed? (They both did by the way, but let's ignore that)

 

Removing the U.S. from the JCPOA fits right in with Putin's plans for Trump. Since every other signatory agrees Trump made a huge mistake, it is obvious that Trump's decision further isolates the U.S.

John Bolton, Trump's NSA, and Mike Pompeo, Trump's SecState, made the Sunday runs. Part of their purpose was to justify Trump's decision to trash the Iran nuclear deal. The problem: Except for a lie told by Bolton, they talked about everything but the nuclear provisions of the Iran nuclear deal.

"It would not stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Quite the contrary, it provided cover for Iran to continue its efforts," Bolton said. That is a lie, but is anyone surprised? Lying has become a common tactic of this White House.

As a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran has pledged not to develop nuclear weapons — ever. In agreeing to the JCPOA, Iran recommitted itself to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran also has agreed to abide by the International Atomic Energy Agency’s Additional Protocol. Simply put, Iran has agreed to give international inspectors wide-ranging authority to peer into its nuclear activities. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eapons-in-seven-years/?utm_term=.e8e1b75e7031

The JCPOA agreement amounts to an implementation of this additional inspection protocol and more. It establishes the most rigorous nuclear inspections regime in the world under the IAEA. Iran did not get a huge benefit, as claimed by the Trump administration. It received its own funds, which had been sequestered in the United States since before the Islamic Revolution of 1978-79. The JCPOA has a sunset clause. After 15 years, inspections will revert to the pre-2006 NPT protocols. Some in the U.S. Congress have mistakenly stated that Iran will then be free to do whatever it wishes with nuclear technology, including developing nuclear weapons. The NPT inspections regime will still be implemented and Iran will still be prohibited from nuclear weapons development. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...after-the-nuclear_us_59ea3cc2e4b092f9f24191b8

Is there any reason in the world why we should trust an administration that sends out its highest level advisors to lie to the American people.

Lie and deceive, mostly Bolton and Pompeo talked about missile development, Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah and the Houthi uprising in Yemen, and her assistance to the Assad regime. In other words, their justification of the Iran nuclear deal consisted of matters unrelated to a nuclear program. That is Trump's justification as well, along with bragging about keeping his promises, thinking that is a virtue even if the promise represents a national security risk.

Neither Bolton or Pompeo dared to mention that by weakening the JCPOA, it is quite likely that Iran will resume its nuclear program. Trump trashed a working agreement and replaced it with harsh language. "I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise them very strongly. If they do there will be very severe consequences." Whatever the hell that means.

Nor did Bolton or Pompeo mention this statement. “Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb, but without a doubt, if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we would follow suit as soon as possible,” Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman told CBS News.

The Trump administration lies by commission and omission. Its purpose, to deceive the American people in an attempt to hide the abject stupidity of the President. There is only one reason why Trump decimated the JCPOA, and it had nothing to do with our security. The agreement between Iran and the P5+1 was concluded during the Obama administration.

 

Trump is the only person who claims Iranians are violating the agreement.

Would you believe Trump or his administration which agrees Iranians are abiding by the agreement and the rest of the world ?

Trump is a Proven Liar

 

Great idea! You might be onto something there. Because we could sign a deal with Iran. Or course, we would need other nations on board, because if we do it on our own, the sanctions would have no effect. So how about we get countries like Germany, U.K., France, and others to help us. And we can pressure Iran to allow international inspectors to, just like you said, verify. Your idea could work so long as no orange haired dope comes along and derail the whole thing for no reason whatsoever....

 

I agree with you that Trump withdrawing from the deal was stupid.

Certainly no reason to change anything now that Trump derailed the deal...

 

They didn't violate it (allegedly) because it's a favorable deal to them, but is bad for the US and our allies. So of course the Iranians want to keep the deal. We obviously need a better deal.

 

But, but, but Islam is a religion of peace, and their #1 role model for all time (Mohammad) was a very very peaceful man....

 

I'll tell you how it would end if, by some miracle, Trump were the one in charge when they do. It ends by the Ayatollah throwing a parade in Trump's honor and Trump praising the Ayatollah as a "great leader"... And that's that....