Tump makes the worst act of his Presidency

I don't know. They may or may not. We only know what they say, not what they believe.

 

Debating you folks is impossible when you refuse to stipulate to the facts.

 

The facts are often subject to controversy. It is pretty hard to accept what governments tell us and what the media tells us. So I try to work with common sense. Common sense tells me that Iran hasn't even slowed their nuclear progress. Since we take their word for their compliance and since they lie to us there is no reason to believe they comply and plenty of reason to doubt their compliance. U.S. government people are just parroting what Iran and the UN tell them. They can't verify it for themselves. What they say is meaningless to me. For me what you view as facts are possibly facts but not likely.

 

I am sure you know by now that is not true. The JCPOA permanently banned Iran from weaponizing uranium, and IAEA inspectors were there to make sure that did not happen.

Unfortunately, Trump trashed the JCPOA and soon that will no longer be true. Trump intends to impose sanctions on Iran. If Iran is going to be punished for making a nuke, she might as well make a nuke.

The other six members of the agreement, including Iran, will try to hold the agreement together, but I don't know how that can happen. Not only will Trump's sanctions hurt Iran, but secondary sanctions punish companies doing business with Iran. That will include EU companies. U.S. companies will be hurt as well.

Airplane manufacturers Boeing and Airbus will lose out on a $39bn deal due to new sanctions imposed as a result of US President Donald Trump’s the US would not participate in the Iran nuclear agreement.

Licenses for the companies to sell passenger jets to Iran are going to be revoked, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said.

Under this kind of pressure, the JCPOA will fall apart. Trump intends to replace it with harsh language.

Asked what he would do if Iran restarted its program, Trump said: "I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program." "If they do, there will be very severe consequences," the President said Wednesday during a Cabinet meeting.

 

"You believe Iran has not violated the deal. Some of us do not believe that." So, that was just B.S. on your part. You lied. You can't provide proof of that statement.

The fact that Iran was in full compliance with JCPOA is common knowledge. The fact that you didn't know that says a lot about your knowledge of this matter. Lying has become a common tactic with Trump and his fans. His entire presentation yesterday was filled with hyperbole, half-truths, and outright lies.

Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak, the IAEA. I don't lie.

Iran is implementing its nuclear-related commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano told the Agency’s 35-member Board of Governors on Monday.


“As of today, I can state that Iran is implementing its nuclear-related commitments,” he said in his introductory statement to the Board. “The JCPOA represents a significant gain for verification. It is essential that Iran continues to fully implement those commitments. If the JCPOA were to fail, it would be a great loss for nuclear verification and for multilateralism.”

Mr Amano said IAEA inspectors had had access to all the sites and locations which they needed to visit.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/new...ments-director-general-amano-tells-iaea-board

 

Yes, ifone loses trust in the media and gov't, you have to really use as much of your brain as possible.

In regards to iran, I feel confident that our 17 intel agencies are good enough to get a pretty good idea of what iran is doing. For remember, late in the bush admin these agencies evaluated this issue, and they came up with the conclusion that program was not in operation. And they didn't do it by being given access to iran. It seems there are more than one way to skin a cat with high tech and our eyes in the sky. We have satellites above the earth that no citizen knows what it is doing up there. Or what they are capable of. And none of us know the capabilities of those intel agencies.

 

What is your basis for that belief?

No! It's obvious you don't know how International negotiations work. It puts Trump's credibility in question but, ultimately, the credibility of the United States.

That is exactly the country we do want to make deals with.

 

Yes. If the other side doesn't meet their obligations. So far, Iran has.

I much prefer to be called an idiot than uninformed. And inspectors, intelligence agencies (not counting Bibi's made-up "spy") and all governments agree that they have not. And by "governments" I include ours. I don't know what being educated by an "idiot" makes you but, whatever it is, you certainly deserve it.

 

I'm sure they'll bail us out. But we used to be the leaders of the free world. It's kinda embarrassing that now we need baby-sitters.

I don't know but, do you realize that it's been almost 100 years since the time when we depended on others to ensure our safety?

True. And we batter start learning to do that. It's just that when you've been the leaders for so long, it's tough to learn how to be the followers.

 

LOL

I think you might be struggling with objectivity when reasoning through the issue.

Leaders take bold action. Followers are not known for taking bold action, they simply follow the herd.

The Iran deal is full of holes, and Iran is refusing to live up to all the provisions of it.

Rather than remaining complacent and romping around with the others, the President is seeking to strengthen the agreement.

Is that the action of someone depending on others, or taking the bull by the horns?

 

fmw is one of of those characters who speak empirically. The don't like to be bothered with facts and reality. They are insecure. So they speak theoretically all the time. Many times it comes out as pure nonsense.

 

Yes! But from the radioactive material used for energy to the material to produce nuclear weapons there is a huge universe in between.

The Iran agreement even provides for the signing nations to provide Iran with nuclear material for uses like the one those subs would use, as well as many others such as in medicine and electricity...

It's just laughable!

 

So you are unaware of the difference between bold action and reckless action

In any case, what is it this withdrawal is supposed to accomplish? What is it we are supposed to be gaining from it?

In what way?

 

no deal is not a better option to having the deal, what did we gain by ending the deal? is Israel safer?

hopefully Iran will continue the deal without us

 

If you think otherwise,...post s link to it

 

Yea...from what...3% to 90%? That's no small increase and is detectable

 

Sorry, I simply don't believe it. It flies in the face of common sense. We are trusting Iran and Iran is not trustworthy. The eyes in the sky can't see everything all the time.

 

As I said. Common sense.

It is obvious you don't know how common sense works. All you have to do is read this forum to see that we Americans are envied and hated. We have no credibility. The difference is that you care and I don't care.

Making deals with enemies is folly. It is appeasement.

 

Detectable? Really?

Please share how it's detectable when that further refinement takes place in facilities Iran refuses to allow inspectors to enter.

You make it so easy......

Oh.....

 

Aren't the exact same people screeching that this action by President Trump will "lead to war" the SAME ONES who were screeching just a few weeks ago that President Trump was leading the U.S. to war with North Korea?

 

We HAD inspections in place that would have seen that increased refinement. With Trump ending the Iran deal..we no longer do.

And no they could not refuse inspectors

 

In a sense yes. WIth this deal gone, nothing stops Iran from restarting their nuclear program. What then? Do we just allow that? What alternative other than military action do we have?

Regarding North Korea, should Trump have that meeting and nothing comes of it...again...what's left other than military action?

 

As Drumpf escalated tensions with N. Korea by threatening to wipe it off the map many around the world were concerned his reckless rhetoric would lead to war. Then China told Kim to accept peace overtures from S. Korea. Now everyone is hoping it works out for the best.

 

This thread...

 

As I've proven over and over, Iran has refused access to military sites. The IAEA has never inspected them, and despite agreeing to allow access in order to secure the billions Obama handed over, Iran refused to allow access after the fact.

So tell me, how can one see what is being done inside large military facilities that Iran won't allow inspectors to enter?

Further, why would Iran refuse inspectors now? The agreement still exists.

Seems you don't know much about the agreement, the IAEA process, or what Iran has been doing.

Get informed and then we might have a less one sided discussion on the facts.