Tump makes the worst act of his Presidency

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is the "let's see what happens" prez. The guy who is really good at blowing things up but doesn't have a clue what to do after that.





     
  2. Bow To The Robots

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    Chicago is only 32% black. I would give the good and decent people to get out before we lit the sucker. Just leave the thugs, gang bangers, and politicians.
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Being against the deal before it went into effect, and pulling out of it now are two completely different things

    And I can understand that you don't know the difference. But the President of the United States does... or should. If he doesn't, it would be yet one more reason why he needs to resign.
     
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    The obstrutionst dems are failing:
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    Trump's current secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, believes we should have stayed in the Iran deal or JCPOA.

    The current Director of the National Intelligence, Dan Coats, believes we should have stayed in the JCPOA.

    Prominent diplomatic and military figures, Democrat and Republican, spanning decades of foreign policy experience believe we should have stayed in the JCPOA. They include Brent Scowcroft, a former national security adviser; Gen. Michael V. Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency; former Senators Richard G. Lugar and Sam Nunn; Adm. Eric T. Olson, former commander of Special Operations Forces; and Adm. William J. Fallon, former commander of the United States Central Command. They were overruled by a President with sixteen months of experience.

    "Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)," 2018 Department of Defense Nuclear Posture Review.

    Prime Minister Theresa May of the U.K., President Emmanuel Macron of France, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany all believe we should have stayed in the JCPOA.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel cheered Trump's decision just as he cheered when Trump unilaterally declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

    Under Trump's leadership, the United States has become Israel's puppet.

    To illustrate the weakness of Trump dangerous decision, following his announcement, he strode out of the room, afraid to answer questions from reporters regarding his decision.
     
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  6. RiseAgainst

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    Do you think the Jews got to Trump and are trying to get him into another mid-east war like they did with bush in Iraq?
     
  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not "the jews". Bibi. It's been Bibi's wet dream since he came to power. But it's his personal fantasy. I doubt the majority of the jewish people support this behavior.
     
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    What is different about it?

    That's like saying I don't like red cars but if I buy one then I should like them because its no longer the same thing.

    Obama signed the same deal that he said he was going to make when Trump said he didn't like it.

    Why is it different after he made the deal then before he made it?

    That makes no sense.
     
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    So you are saying that Trump picked people whos opinions you value.

    Nice for you to finally say something good about Trump.
     
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    I never said that, I said he's been clear that he hasn't like this Iran deal.
     
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  12. Golem

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    Well, first that we already paid them back the money we owed them. And now they don't have to do anything in exchange, Second that before we signed we didn't know for sure it would work. Now we know it did. Third, if you believed Netanyahu that Iran would have a nuke within a year, well now you know that they didn't. But most importantly, the word of the United States government was not under question. By pulling out unilaterally we are the ones who violate the agreement. The clout we had for any future negotiation has been thrown into the garbage by Trump: the worst negotiator in the world.
     
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    Ah. Looks like it didn't quite work, did it?

    Thanks for sharing your Conspiracy Porn. Sorry but, it just doesn't have the same effect on me as it does in you.
     
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  14. ocean515

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    Really?

    So you think the other Nations involved in the agreement mean nothing to Iran?

    If that's the case, why did they become parties to the agreement?
     
  15. ocean515

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    It did work?

    Did you know that in January, Iran announced it's intent to build a nuclear Navy, and that as part of that effort, will be building military facilities designed for R&D and advancing that capability?

    https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/18/03/gov-2018-7-derestricted.pdf

    24. Iran informed the Agency, in a letter dated 6 January 2018, “[p]ursuant to the modified code 3.1 of the subsidiary arrangement of I.R. of Iran’s Safeguards Agreement (INFCIRC/214)… about the decision that has been taken to construct naval nuclear propulsion in future”.25 The Agency requested Iran, in a letter dated 26 January 2018, to provide further clarifications and amplifications under the Additional Protocol regarding its plans relevant to the development of the nuclear fuel cycle, including research and development activities, for naval nuclear propulsion. In the same letter, the Agency advised that if Iran has taken a decision to construct new facilities to be used for naval nuclear propulsion, it is required, under modified Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements (General Part) to its Safeguards Agreement, to provide to the Agency preliminary design information for such facilities. Iran has yet to respond to the Agency’s letter. 25
    Will Iran let the IAEA into top secret military facilities engaging in advancing this technology? Could those facilities be used to develop forbidden weapons?

     
  16. Golem

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    That's hilarious!

    Do you know what nuclear propulsion is?
     
  17. Golem

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    So you are counting on the other nations to bail us out of the mess Trump got us into.

    It's possible, but they must be getting tired of bailing us out from our President's childish tantrums. They already bailed us out when we unilaterally violated the Paris Agreement. Now they have to save us from this.

    I'll tell you one thing. When the Stooge is out of office, we're going to owe a great debt to these nations that have protected us from ourselves.
     
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    Why yes.

    Do you know what fuels it?

    Hilarious you appear to be ignorant of that.

    Worse, you seem to miss the entire point. Iran, with a Nuclear Navy, developing top secret military systems to achieve it.

    Would those new facilities be covered by Obama's Nuke deal?
     
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    Am I counting on them? No.

    Why are you dismissing them?

    You claimed Iran would be free to do whatever they want. But those other countries haven't pulled out of the agreement.

    So, you think Iran is going to violate the agreement it has with those other Nations?

    Perhaps you failed to consider there are other Nations involved.
     
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    LOL, This is the administration that is going to get a deal with North Korea that is worth anything.
     
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    It is easy to see why we have a problem. This guy voted for Trump.
     
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    Do we now decide what kind of defenses another country can build? Should we stop Russia and China from building anymore warships?
     
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    And sanctions only work
    And sanctions only work if our allies sign on to them.

    They're not .

    We're alone and without and power on this

    Way to go deal maker
     
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    In other words...Trump's actions are pointless

    No kidding
     
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    Who ever said sanctions against North Korea were a bad idea? I must have missed that.
     

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