UK gun control failed, wants a knife ban

I look at other factors besides the number of guns used in crime in a given area. Common wisdom by just using my eyes alone would give me a far better idea of how dangerous a given area is than just by gun laws and their number of uses.

But if you're so certain that Britian is among the safest places in the world because of gun and knife control laws----then I'd do a DNA test and look for an extra chromosone.

 

I hope so too.
Is it a serious problem where you are based?

 

This topic is about gun laws in the UK and their effectiveness which has been proven to be effective.

Where did I say that?

They come in pairs.

 

There hardly is any correlation between the number of legal firearms per household and the number of murders in a given nation. Again, local data on demographics is really all one needs to tell the tale.

But you insist your silly anti-gun laws have made Britian so safe. And there is no evidence to prove this. Look at the murder rates I gave in further back. Now look at this estimate of number of guns per capita:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

It shows that the UK has 8 times less guns than Switzerland, but that the Swiss are consistantly much lower on homicide and violent crime rates. If the guns are the primarly factor in making an area safe---then why isn't Switzerland consistantly 8 times higher on crime rates????

Also, Iceland is 15th highest in gun ownership, yet it is THE safest nation in the entire world. They have 5 times as many guns apparently waiting like Dirty Harry to "make someone's day" and kill them---than the UK. I don't understand your math. Don't your support the Leftist theory that "More guns = more crime?" Perhaps if your Parliment asked for a copy of Iceland's gun control laws, the UK could save hundreds of lives per year if they implemented them.

Your gun laws have failed, and continue to fail you in the UK.

Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society BTW?

 

Your guns laws should have always made the UK safer than every other nation in West Europe with less gun control. That has not happened.

A DNA check for Trisomy 21 seems warrented.

 

UK gun homicides per 100,000 = 0.04
US gun homicides per 100,000 = 4.70

Overall UK murders rate from all causes 653 of which 39 by firearm
Overall US murders rate from all causes 14,827 of which 11,078 by firearm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Well these figures dramatically illustrate the failure of gun laws all right . Just not those of the UK

 

Yes it has, we have a very low homicide rate.
And what relevancy does Europe have to do with it?

Don't insult me just because you've lost the argument yet again.
Maybe you should look for Trisomy 21 considering the baselessness of your theories and your chronic inability to spell.

 

It doesn't matter how many hard facts you bombard them with theres no keeping a good gun nut down. They'll defend the indefensible at any and all costs. Its no wonder this happened after the appalling Sandy Hook school massacre.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...oting-christmas-gift-gun-sales_n_2364321.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/sandy-hook-shooting-gun-sales_n_2317522.html

What other country would react in this way to such an atrocity ? Sick or what ?

 

We ban breeds of dogs instead of punishing the owners, family pets getting put to sleep and so on. Its terrible.

 

How much of a change is that since the gun ban? Did you guys have a big homicide problem before the gun ban?

 

I think US culture is very heavily tied to firearms maybe the US needs to have a proper debate about this and assess whether the risks of firearms within the public domain are actually worth it.

We reacted after Dunblane and have had gradually lowering murder rates since then and that's including using firearms.

 

I think it's better if you judge for yourself
http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
And there isn't an actual ban.

 

Our murder rate has significantly dropped overall in the last decade and that will be partly due to the stricter gun laws no doubt. Other crimes too have seen sharp falls

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/25/uk-crime-falls-official-figures

 

I think we have something similar. I'm not sure about the banning of certain breeds though.

 

But why are your murder rates higher than Switzerland and Iceland? You fail to address your gun logic.

I do think you should keep in mind the current population of the UK is 64 million, and the US is 319 million. However, the guns always have an outside party pulling the trigger and aiming it. In the US we have tens of millions more of certain groups that have between 5 to 10 times greater crime rates wherever they exsist on the planet. It is only logical that the US murder rate is inflated on this account. The modern guns don't seem to be causing anymore trouble in rural American than the old shotguns and rifles do in rural Wales or Scotland.

 

I find it impossible to believe you. You haven't given me a single study done showing violent crime and/or homicide rates for the UK COMPARED TO other West Euro nations with higher rates of firearm ownership since at least 1980.

Isn't this your theory: Strict gun control laws have kept violent crime low in the UK---so therefore, similar gun control laws should give similar effects in all countries that are somewhat similar in nature??? That about right?

If this is not correct, then factors other than guns and knives are at play, and your posts here celebrating British gun and knife laws are fruitless.

BTW, my computer won't run spell check.

 

Why should I? Different laws and different conditions.

No. They've kept homicides using firearms low.

No I didn't say that.

Nope

Not my problem.

 

And you fail to address the math. Our murder rates are a fifth of yours and we are over 100 times less likely to be shot as a consequence of our far more stringent gun laws. More people die from lightning strikes here than by being shot. In Iceland that risk is 4 times greater and in Switzerland 13 times greater so whats your point other than reconfirming my position ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Your gang shootings are a symptom of your problem not its cause. If you let 300 million mostly unmonitored guns loose in your society what else did you expect your criminal fraternity to do with them ?

 

I'm delighted to be living somewhere where I can walk the streets at night, unarmed, not having to be terrified I'll get mugged or shot. So is everyone else I know. Your level of gun crime is appalling, and a disgrace for somewhere touting itself as an advanced, free and civilized nation.

 

actually, based on the drop in crime rate and murder rate since handguns were banned in Britain, their gun control seems to have worked very well.

 

The guns in Swiss homes are generally military weapons. The Swiss have no standing army (only 5% of those available for military service are regulars), and the male population between the ages of 18-35 is, essentially, a militia, obligated to do annual stints of military service. These people are disciplined with their weapons; no doubt a very good reason for their low rates of gun-related crime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912

 

It might be a lot lower than the US but its still some 13 times higher than the UK nonetheless so its hardly the well armed utopia the US gun nuts would try and sell us

UK = 0.04 gun homicides per 100,000 vs Switzerland 0.52

 

I remember in the movie "Paths of Glory" the French soldiers were discussing if they'd rather be shot or stabbed. It hardly matters how the murders happen. I'd feel exponentially safer in any part of Iceland because they have the lowest violent crime rate in the entire world. Please tell me when is the last time someone was murdered with a gun in Iceland?

Now, the UK murder rate is much higher than Iceland and Switzerland because more primitive and brutal methods are used by savages with knives and clubs and stragulation by bare hands. Face it, the risk of being murdered as always been higher in the UK than these other two gun loving countries.

 

I can walk in my neighborhood and surrounding area anytime I want day or night and feel completely safe---as I often get up before the sun rises to run or hike. I don't even feel the need to carry a gun or any other weapon when I'm in my own country. Only when traveling to bad areas with too many liberals and thugs do I feel the need to carry a small handgun or maybe a lockblade.

I'd bet you don't live in the worst parts of the UK or Poland. Otherwise, your feeling of safety would plummet.

 

I checked the stats on the Swiss, and I believe there is a full-auto assault rifle in about one in every 5 homes there. The Swiss Feds no longer issue ammo packs to go with these guns, but ammo for them is readily available for them---that can be purchaced at gun ranges.

You would probably think me a certified "gun nut." I only have about a dozen guns, all secured. I hardly can imagine the Swiss being more discilined than the average gun enthusiast here in the US.

However, do you believe crimes in the US are mostly by gun collectors or by urban drug users that allow their stolen firearms to be carried carelessly on their persons or left to sit unlocked in their crackhouses and meth labs?