UK gun control failed, wants a knife ban

I have no idea. Maybe you have some stats you can show me?

 

Iceland gun murder rate 0.32 per 100,000
UK gun murder rate 0.04 per 100,000

Ergo I am 8 times less likely to be shot dead in the UK then I am in Iceland so the UK gun laws clearly work far better than those of Iceland. How much lower would Icelands already low murder rate be if she adopted similar laws to those of the UK ?

 

Sorry, but the entire murder rate is .32 per year---not just "gun murders"---so you're wrong. There are maybe one or two murders on the whole island on any given year. You in the UK have 600 murders a year compared to 1 a year. Why aren't the guns killing more people according to your lying gun grabbers?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22288564

 

Yes sir, I think I can:



Gangs Blamed for 80 Percent of U.S. Crimes



Jan. 30, 2009

By JASON RYAN



As many as 1 million gang members are believed responsible for as much as 80 percent of crime in America -- and the gangs are spreading across the country, according to a Justice Department gang threat assessment.

Approximately "1 million gang members belonging to more than 20,000 gangs were criminally active within all 50 states and the District of Columbia as of September 2008," the report says.

"Criminal gangs commit as much as 80 percent of the crime in many communities, according to law enforcement officials throughout the nation," the report notes as part of its key findings. "Typical gang-related crimes include alien smuggling, armed robbery, assault, auto theft, drug trafficking, extortion, fraud, home invasions, identity theft, murder and weapons trafficking."
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/story?id=6773423

Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.

The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

"A rising number of U.S.-based gangs are seemingly intent on developing working relationships" with U.S. and foreign drug-trafficking organizations and other criminal groups to "gain direct access to foreign sources of illicit drugs," the report concludes.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-29-ms13_N.htm

I couldn't find anything on gun collectors taking their $5,000 dollar machine guns to rob local gas stations. But maybe they are doing the other 20%.

 

UK handgun control has worked very well, based on the stats.

 

Incorrect. I linked global firearm homicide statistics only . Try reading something properly first before commenting upon it, you'd look less stupid.

 

Thanks for noticing. Theres almost a sort of desperation amongst the US gun nutter fraternity to prove the opposite has been the case. I'm guessing they are worried that the threat of a good example will mean somebody might get the idea to take away their macho toys

 

I think if they admit that "gun control" actually works in other places then they'd have to admit that there is a problem with firearms.
It's a bit like a drug addict saying that he's got it under control.

 

Sorry, but your sources on gun homicides are as useless as your nation's laws.

Iceland:

#15 Iceland (Tied for 15)
Firearms per 100 people: 30.3

Firearm homicides per 100,000: 0

Percent of homicides by guns: 0

Iceland, despite being one of the nations with the highest rate of firearms, has a startlingly low violence rate.
http://www.deseretnews.com/top/2519...5-nations-with-the-highest-gun-ownership.html

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...teach-us-about-american-gun-violence-nothing/

How can you think rationally if you fill your mind with biased and corrupt information from looney anti-gunners?

 

You've been given the list of relative global stats from a neutral source already.

UK 0.04 gun homicides per 100,000
Iceland 0.32 gun homicides per 100,000
Switzerland 0.52 gun homicides per 100,000

You will find a huge list of sub referenced links to the data at the foot of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

 

The UK doesn't count a gun homicide into the numbers unless there is a conviction and there aren't many of those. It makes a huge difference in the outcome. More liberal apples and oranges comparisons.

 

Of course it does. Where did you hear that ?

 

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Not really if you consider other violent crime issues. Also England doesn't count a gun homocides as such unless there was a conviction. So in their mind even though the guy has a gun shoot wound to the head it doesn't count unless the shooter is caught. Logical right? Tell that to the families.

 

While interesting reading, what has or has not worked in one Nation does not equate to it working or not in another, every culture is different and hence must address their own issues the way they see fit. There is not a Nation on the Planet that has the same sort of gun traditions and culture the USA has, hence none of their methods will work here in the US. The US will not be changing to become a gun free Nation now or in any foreseeable future the vast majority of American People do not want guns banned here so that thought is DOA. What Americans Do want is to be free of Gangs and criminals, that, by the way, could not care less about any gun ban laws not to mention the fact that they are already armed. The solution for America is not to punish responsible gun owners, it is to hunt down and punish those that commit gun violence, that means the gangs and the hard core career criminals. Make belonging to a gang a Felony, then arrest them and then lock them up for Life, you would be surprised how low our gun violence incidents would be if we truly went after the real problem.

 

Your league of shame is pure nonsense given the different methodologies and criteria used for measuring crime from country to country as are your assertions on UK firearm homicides. UK crime rates are currently at 30 year lows across the board

 

"As an aside, homicides in England and Wales are not counted the same as in other countries. Their homicide numbers “exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defense or otherwise” (Report to Parliament). The problem isn’t just that it reduces the recorded homicide rate in England and Wales, but what would a similar reduction mean for the US.

If taken literally, a simple comparison can be made. In 2012, the US murder rate was 4.7 per 100,000, a total of 14,827. Arrests amounted to only 7,133. Using only people who were arrested (not just convicted) would lower the US murder rate to 2.26 per 100,000. More information on the adjustment for England and Wales is available here and it suggests that while many homicides are excluded it isn’t as large as it would appear (in 1997, the downward adjustment would be about 12 percent). "

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

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Link. This isn't the opinion section.

 

As posted earlier your gang crime gun problem is a symptom of allowing 300 million mostly unmonitored guns into your society. The fact is guns are held in almost religious reverence in the US and until that mindset changes your appalling gun death stats will not. That your society deems it acceptable that every two years you lose more Americans than you did over the 10 years of Vietnam from a cause alien to most other developed nations says it all really

 

Well this has been linked multiple times on this thread already but here it is yet again

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/25/uk-crime-falls-official-figures

 

Not your problem so your opinion on us counts for nothing. You actually think we care what people in other countries think of us don't you, ROTFLMAO!

 

It's actually quite interesting to look at the FBI crime stats particularly when it says that 69.3% of the nations murders were committed using a firearm.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2012/violent-crime/violent-crime

To be honest this debate was already won before it started.
Even in terms of violent crimes; the US still out does the UK with a whopping 1,214,462 violent crimes which dwarfs the UK even when adjusted for population differences.

http://www.ukcrimestats.com/National_Picture/

 

So why engage in a thread started by an American alleging that the UK gun laws had failed if it makes you so defensive of your own almost non existent gun laws ?

 

Fail. Wikipedia does not cut it. Nore does crap from Nationmaster or other silly sites.

Why don't you find the souces from Iceland herself on exactly how each person (as usually only one is killed a year there) met their end.

There are so few murders or attempted murders there that guns are of no statistical relevance.
http://logreglan.is/default.asp?cat_id=1216

However there was a foreinger who tried to kill his wife with a frying pan back in 2002 in Iceland, but she lived. Lucky for the nation, the monster killed himself by drinking drain cleaner.

Does one need a licence for frying pans and bottles of drain cleaner in the UK?

 

He was laughing at how your laws have not really achieved their goal, they made a good point. Hey, do not want to own a gun, don't, heck you probably are not even allowed to, here in the US we will retain the right to do as we think best, to each their own.

 

So I am over a hundred times more likely to be shot in the US and five times more likely to be murdered overall as consequence. Over the last decade our firearms fatalities have more than halved in the UK from their already very low level yet its our laws that are failing ?

US gun nut logic knows no bounds

 

LOL, talk about nuts. I refer to how it has worked based on YOUR society, comparing it to the US is a false comparison since we have not implemented any such laws here and hence have nothing to compare it to. I bet you believe the US is one big wild west show with shootings on the streets every day, you are watching too many movies and forgetting as so many do that when you watch the news you forget are Nations far larger than yours. It shows you really have no idea what our Nation is like, but I would suggest staying away, we would not want to become a victim of our evil.