US bombers fly over the Gulf amid tensions with Iran

North Korea is also an example - sure we can take that small country out - but - they take out South Korea in the process.

In this case - Iran takes out Israel - and then what ? will Israel use its nukes ?

These are not happy scenarios --- no comparison to the Iraq war .. stakes way higher on many levels - including the fact that as you say .. Iran is no Iraq.... and look now much trouble that was. While out weapons have not improved much in the interim .. the Enemies have greatly improved ... hence our carrier exiting the region .. Iran's cruise missiles can take it out if it gets too close.

Not "A Cake Walk" as Rumsfeld stated prior to Iraq ..

Well -- if that fiasco that nearly bankrupted the treasury was a cake-walk - good grief what the toll will be having a war with Iran.

 

It is not hysteria at all - and your dismissal of this serious issue is pathetic ambivalence on steroids.

All the nations of the world have signed agreements that we won't do this kind of thing .. but, no worries, its do as we say - not as we do .. until someone does do as we do ... at which point you will be screaming at the top of your lungs for revenge .. in rampant hypocrisy.

 

I was perfectly clear in my discussion of the thread. Trump is not the warmongering madman of your hysterical scaremongering.

There will be no war with Iran now, just like there was no war with Iran a year ago when you were whipping up the same hysteria you're whipping up now.

Was that a clear enough discussion for you?

 

More hysteria.

 

Of course it is, when you turn your back on ally on the field of battle.
It'll take a long time before anybody trust the american soldier again.

 

Withdrawing troops = war.

This is your brain on leftism.

 

Trump is a bloodthirsty maniac!

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Iran has warned the US it believes that Israel intends on attacking some of their troops in Iraq in order to get the US to attack Iran.

Iran claims Israeli agents 'plotting attacks' on US in Iraq to spark conflict | The Times of Israel

I don't see Zarif saying this unless he believes it is true and it is not that it is something Israel has not done before. The US military in general seem to not want a war with Iran so presumably they will be aware of this warning if something happens.

 

"Iran claims"

Yeah, let me stop you right there.

 

Creasy what are you doing on this thread? Nothing except trying to get people not to know the news concerning the thread and discuss things. Why are you on this thread?

 

Think with the Kurds it was something like the 8th time .. seems they have gotten used to it .. and since you know little about the numerous factors involved .. you should quite making these appeal to patriotism laughable fallacious catty comments and snide remarks .. in a TDS haze

Obama your hero was the one who put the Kurds in this mess .. who refused to arm them - while arming Islamist Jihadists Al Qaeda/ISIS who were making war all around them and with the Kurds - the Kurds begging the US for assistance to fight off ISIS- Al Qaeda - who were receiving hundreds of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment.

The Kurds were denied - until the war was nearly over .. Russia Iran - Syrian Army having defeated ISIS/Al Nusra in all of Syria sans Raqqa ... we finally turn on our proxy army - our primary allies for 6 years in this war against Assad - give the Kurds sophisticated weapons - and take Raqqa.

So .. Obama wouldn't give the Kurds weapons to defend themselves against ISIS
Now that ISIS is gone you are upset that Trump would not give the Kurds sophisticated weapons to fight our NATO Ally.

Not hearing the ding ding ding of the hypocrisy bell going off in your head ? Bad Trump .. Bad Trump .. say it with me ..

This is perhaps a secondary symptom of TDS BTS ! Bad Trump Syndrome.

 

I'm here to remind you that we heard this same fearmongering hysteria about Trump starting a war with Iran a year ago.

Remember?

 

Abandoning your allies on the field of battle does equal war.
You'll learn the lesson soon.

 

You didn't. You are just projecting your imagination in an attempt to stop people discussing the thread. Your offering nothing but irritation and I think that is your intent.

 

Yeah, but I did though. See it? It's right there.

Why would a simple and accurate observation irritate you so?

 

So you prefer the way Obama and Joe did it?

U.S. officials misled the public about the war in Afghanistan ...
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Dec 9, 2019 — The Afghanistan Papers. See the documents More than 2,000 pages of interviews and memos reveal a secret history of the war.

8 straight years of occupation by American troops, billions of taxpayer dollars wasted with little, if anything, accomplished, American soldiers killed, and and Obama and Joe Biden telling lies about it the entire time.

Is that better a better way to do war than Trump's withdrawing troops method of "war"?

Should we go back to the Biden/Obama way of doing war the real war way? Would that make you happy?

 

Attacking North Korea would be an existential threat to Russia. It's major port Vladivostok which ships its wheat, LNG gas, timber, and many other products is less than 100 miles from the N. Korean border. It is the only reason Washington really gives a damn about N. Korea other than maybe the American corporations that are invested in the South.

If Washington was really concerned about peace, rather than threatening Russia's major port with missiles, then they would have gone along with the road map presented to them by Russia. It was agreed by China and Germany. In it Russia guaranteed the security of N. Korea if Kim was to disarm his nuclear weapons. Kim was not adverse to the idea.

Maybe Trump might have gone along, but Bolton destroyed any progress by mentioning Libya. After Ghadaffi disarmed we killed him - and it is Kim's biggest fear. This is why he will not disarm.

Yes, I believe Israel will use its nukes, and that it will be the major blow up that will cause WWIII. Russia will be involved as will Europe and the US. Whoever does not believe that we're in for a major conflagration, is blind to reality and has no idea of our build ups in Eastern Europe, the Black Sea, the Arctic, and the Baltics - which of course is forcing Russia to take equal precaution and protection.

There are also the delusions and paranoias of nations like Turkey which in comparison makes Hitler appear sane. A war with Greece is imminent, and since it involves Russia's access to the Mediterranean, there's bound to be trouble. Erdogan is walking on a tight rope with the nationalists who keep goading him. They are pushing him towards a war with Greece so as to claim all the waters and islands they believe belong to them.

Other than that, Ankara wants control of the Caucasus, the Balkans, Libya and all of N. Africa. In other words all the lands that were under the Ottomans and were rudely taken away by Britain in WWI.

So what is Merkel doing? She said she can't handle Erdogan. Seems only Putin can, but will Erdogan survive, or will the nationalists take over?




I'm known as Thor the God of War.
I fight on land and fight on shore,
and listen to the trumpets sound
while men are dying all around.

Their cries of pain I hear with glee,
who cares about their misery,
for being masters of your fate
emboldens us with scorn and hate - Jeannette

 

What allies? We support terrorists, so let's get the hell out of the Middle East and let Russia handle the problems. They have more at stake than we do. Also, Lavrov is an excellent diplomat. If he can't bring warring factions together, then no one can.

 

Obama didn't invade Afghanistan, Bush did.

 

The Kurds were US allies. The US abandoned them to be hunted down by the Turks and Assad.

 

Look I understand why the US did it, he was killing US soldiers.....the problem is that the US have for decades done the bidding of the bankers...you were overthrowing and stripping countries of wealth to fill Wall street & the swamps pockets. My own country South Africa was handed over to terrorists and communists, sacrificed at the altar of the eurodollar... the eurodollar the wall street bankers use as currency to reap massive profits. Millions of people have died and continue to suffer because Eurodollar.

It is therefore difficult for me to hate those fighting back.... on top of this I admired Soleimani from a short biography I've read, he was forged during the terrible Iran/Iraq war...where Saddam Hussein used mustard gas on the Kurds.

Life is just not that simple

 

No one in the Middle East trusts the American soldiers, because no one trusts Washington. We keep working both sides to keep the wars going on. It doesn't matter who they are or what they have done. We would even support satan himself if it was to our benefit.

Let me explain the situation. Over 20% of the population in Turkey are Kurds. Southeastern Turkey is their homeland, it is not in Syria. Turkey does not want Kurds living along their border in Syria, because it will arouse the Kurds on the other side of the border in Turkey.

The only reason the US is in Syria is to take land away from Assad and break up the country. There is no other reason. The reason we were bombing the Syrian army under the pretense of a false flag chemical attack was because the Syrians were winning the battle, and we wanted the war to continue.

The US intent is to create a Kurdistan in the oil and gas rich area of Syria East of the Euphrates. This would deprive the Syrian people of the funds needed to rebuild their war torn country, while at the same time it would separate Iran from Syria. Problem is there are Arabs living there, and they do not want the Kurds who are not indigenous to usurp them from their lands. In contrast to Washington, Assad will not give independence to the Kurds, but he will give them a certain amount of autonomy in Syria.

I believe that many of the Arabs living East of the Euphrates are Shias, so I can understand Iran's concern in wanting to protect them. I don't doubt that those Arabs are being trained and armed to fight for their lands - and that is their right. Washington in the meantime, gives some support to ISIS East of the Euphrates, so they can say they are fighting terrorists.

As for the rest of Syria, it is secured by Chechnyan guards from Russia, and since they are Sunnis they are trusted by their co religionists. As for Iran, it should leave Syria. There is no reason for them to be there other than their quest to take back Jerusalem for Islam.

 

Oh for **** sake... Get lost.

 

It has nothing to do with like. It's just that they were neighbors for thousands of years. Also, Alexander the Great told his men to marry Persian women, so that they're not only culturally similar, but ethnically close as well. My grandson gave me a book on Iran once that was written by an Englishman. I couldn't believe how much the Iranians were like the Greeks. When I told my grandson, he said; "that's why I gave you the book".

What's more unusual would be the contemporary Greek music since the only music similar to it, is the Sephardic Jewish music from Morocco. When the Jews left Spain, they began moving into the Greek world which at that time, was part of the Ottoman Empire.

 

I'm just trying to educate you. You don't have to be so touchy about it.

(My apologies to William Shakespeare)

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To reason or not to reason
that is the question.

How can'st one reason
where knowledge is not,
when reasoning itself

requires a lot - Jeannette

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