US Muslims: this is worse than after 9/11

You see Islamic terrorism on TV happening in other countries. In the US you see right wing and other home-grown domestic terrorism.

 

Not if the other channels cover it, and even if Fox doesn't, obama's mouthpiece MSNBC certainly will along with CNN.

Abortion clinics is a real stretch, a total of 7 people have been killed and 9 injured in all violence (shootings, bombings, stabbings) by anti-abortion people. That's over a 25 year period, the last murder was in 2009.

Sovereign Citizens? Hardly. According to the Anti-Defamation League (a left wing group who will bias the data to increase the count if possible) http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/combating-hate/sovereign-citizen-incidents-by-state-2007-2010.pdf records a total of 65 incidents over 4 years. Most of the incidents are not violent but white collar crimes, like a guy starting his own bank, harassing federal employees (filing a false lien against them but that might be a false accusation, he might have had good reason to file the lien), an insurance scam, bouncing checks.

Sovereign Citizens have a bad reputation - no doubt encouraged by the government and media - but are far from terrorists.

And Sovereign Citizens are not synonymous with Christianity, if you do just a tiny bit of research you find that they have a religious segment but their motivation is the claim that the US govt is now unconstitutional (so they refuse to pay taxes, start their own bank, provide insurance to each other, etc).


And finally the KKK. How many US military would burn the US flag? That's equivalent to Christians burning the symbol of their Savior. Christians don't even like "artists" putting a crucifix in a jar of urine or smearing animal feces on a painting of Mary.

And every Christian denomination I am aware of has publicly denounced the KKK. Can't say the same thing about muslims in the US - or muslims anywhere - regarding their murderous and barbaric ISIS brethren.

 

No I don't. Mostly I see thugs killing each other. Nothing I'd call terrorism.

 

This, this, and this disprove your statement. Of course, that's just scratching the surface.

 

Hardly. Your first link is the only one showing muslims in the US actually out protesting, even if its just a handful of muslims.

The other 2 links are of no significance - some muslim leader puts out a statement, there is some hashtag protests like #NotAllMuslims. Weak, very very weak.

 

Funny how you diminish the voice of the majority and amplify the voice of the minority. Muslims the world over condemn Daesh. Your average media outlet will not post stories of their condemnations because of the maxim "If it bleeds, it leads".

 

Are US Muslims accused of being terrorists or failing to condemn terrorists anymore than Whites were after the shooting of Blacks by Dylan Roof?

 

Since when do we (the universal "we", not just Muslims, Christians, blacks, or whites) have to apologize for the crimes committed by others?

That's not justice.

 

You must be the only person then who doesn't see numerous Black and Latino gang terrorizing and killing innocent Americans all over the country. I think you need to get real. You have an agenda here.

 

Good point. IS stands no chance of taking vast swathes of land in any Muslim majority lands due to the moderate Muslim majority.

 

Tell that to Leftists who were blaming Whites/calling for Whites to address 'racist' White subculture.

 

Do you know what this discussion is about? Its about muslims in the US and their lack of opposition to ISIS and radical islamics. Your link is about other nations, not the US.

When the muslims in the US are protesting, its to complain that they need special legal status because someone someday might look at them in an offensive manner. If they want to be treated like Americans, and without suspicion, they should act like they support America and oppose all of islamic lunacy.

 

So, what you're essentially saying is that in order to be a "good" Muslim, they should support America's foreign policy even though it's completely subverting the rights and freedoms of Muslims in the Arab world (i.e. the aftermath of the disastrous Iraq war), and if they oppose it EVEN if they also renounce Daesh and their like, that makes them "bad" Muslims? Wonderful. It's this Cold War mentality that is going to perpetuate a narrative of dominance, conflict, and destruction in the Middle East and elsewhere in Islamic societies the world over.

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We all make our own choices. People around us will choose to be racist or bigoted. The only way to oppose it is simple: choose not to be racist or bigoted.

 

No matter how much or how loud Muslims in this country and internationally condemn these terrorist attacks it will never be enough to satisfy the xenophobes who live for their hatred of 'the other".

 

To even ask for a group to apologize for the crimes committed by one of its own is bigoted.

 

That's your idea of proof? It has to be on TV or it didn't happen? Laughable. A certain George H. W. Bush went on TV and confidently announced, 'read my lips, no new taxes'. Was that proof of his sincerity given what came next?

 

There is not one man, woman or transexual woman who won't convert.

 

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

 

LOL That's not what I've been writing, you should read the posts - unless you are taking the typical "progressive" approach of trying to redefine the debate to avoid losing.

Its very simple. If muslims in the US don't want to be associated with ISIS, then those muslims need to act to make it clear they do not support and are strongly and publicly opposed to ISIS and all of radical islam.

 

One wonders what these armed gangs of far right gun nuts would be doing if this country had been destroyed by the same kinds of things that have destroyed the countries we're talking about.

This doesn't happen in a vacuum or at random.

 

So once again you set the standards that apply to you to the lowest possible level. Because Bush 41 lied, you think its ok to lie.

If muslims in the US don't want to be associated with ISIS and radical islam, and don't want to be looked upon with suspicion, then they better make it very clear that they oppose ISIS and radical islam. Because the suspicion is strong (the silence of US muslims adds greatly to that suspicion), they need to speak very publicly and loudly. But they don't speak, and deserve to be viewed with suspicion.

 

They have and do condemn these acts of terror but that doesn't seem to be enough for you, because nothing would actually be enough

 

10 unconnected crimes committed over the past 31 years by organizations that are disconnected from each other? That's your proof of some great conservative Christian terrorist conspiracy? Some of the examples are not even of Christians, for example Timothy McVeigh was not motivated by Christianity and was a self-declared agnostic (but that does not fit the "progressives" agenda). The murder of Alan Berg is unsolved, your link conveniently says the murder was "linked" to a white supremacist group The Order (a short lived group which was really a crime gang, not a religious group of any sort).

All you have shown is that there are criminals in every group - sort of, you even fail there because your list of 10 spans multiple groups ranging from anit-abotionists to anti-tax protestors to plain old criminals. You have to cobble together a list to even pretend to show "Christian" terrorism.


Now, compare that to Islam, which has a 1400 year continuous history of rape, torture, religious war, and the slave trade. And a core group of muslims have engaged in acts of war against the US since the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

 

No, there have been some "Islamic leaders" and some organizations who release press statements. There are no mass movements by muslims in the US protesting ISIS, no giant rallys, no visible signs of opposition to radical islam.

About all you hear from muslims in the US is whining about how they might be looked at suspiciously, or when a muslim in a burqa goes to the airport TSA might want to check to see what might be under that disguise - that is if the TSA are not too busy searching the diaper of a Caucasian baby, or sexually assaulting a disabled Caucasian girl in a wheelchair, or making a Caucasian old lady get out of her wheelchair. All we ever hear from groups like CAIR (a group linked to terrorists) is how muslims are discriminated against.

From all appearances, muslims in the US support radical islam.

 

Who said I'm redefining anything? I'm calling it like I see it. You're free to disagree with it, but the reality is that your approach right now is splitting Muslims into a group of two, either those with you or those against you, which is a dangerous line of logic and one that is very immature.

...and if they don't support neither Daesh or your political goals?