Vintage Bernie footage shows now-presidential candidate praising breadlines, communist nations

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Well, I would say your source is biased so not surprised it's making a case for you but it's a poor case. The posts after yours backs that up.

    That's great, but I didn't confuse anything. What's confusing is how much time and effort the wealthy spend avoiding paying.
     
  2. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you know I'm about tired of constantly having to teach the ignorant basic economics

    we will start by informing you that wealth isn't finite its created one having more doesn't cause another to have less
    so wealth inequity is irrelevant its just propaganda that plays on the hatful emotion of envy for a pollical purpose
    and your attempt of solving the non existent problem of irrelevant wealth inequality by so called redistributing wealth solves nothing
    its equivalent as taking a bucket of water out of the deep end of the pool pouring it into the shallow end of the pool and then claim you made the water level of the pool rise
    If you want to help out the economic underprivilege wealth needs to be created by those underprivileged not giving them hand outs stolen from those that earned it
    because all that does is cause dependency of the underprivilege and creates contempt and discourages wealth creators from creating wealth if the majority of what the earned what they created is stolen from them
     
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  3. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    whos starveling to death in capitalist America? as a matter of fact we have the opposite problem our poor being obsess
    capitalism has brought more out of poverty then all other economies systems combined

    now look at who is starveling in socialist Venzarla people having to dig in trash cans for food
     
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    ellesdee Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything specific about America? None of what you said really addresses my point.

    I’d rather have bread for everyone over bread for rich only. I don’t see how anyone could actually disagree with such a sentiment.
     
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  5. Mrlucky

    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Roy, It is pointless discussing any facts with a person that refuses to face reality. I have given you plain English definitions that are widely accepted except by deniers like yourself and other radicals that probably don't even vote. I won't waste my time with you any further.
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    He went frim job to job. We don't know if his work was okay or not. I disputed your comment: "I love this short snippet from the guy who never held a job until age 40 and then it was a government job at that."
    I don't think he'll get the nomination, but what if he does and wins?
    Wikipedia has footnotes and the section I quoted has several. This is a message forum, not a research paper. Here are two of the sources:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    Hitler was not a socialist. The others were and collectivized their economies.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    capitalism = bread lined up waiting for people
    socialism = people lined up waiting for bread
     
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  9. Mrlucky

    Mrlucky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could listen to the same rhetoric from Hugo Chavez. His message was the same as Sanders. Sanders just happens to be an American radical socialist nut. The video he made might have been 30 years old but Bernie has not changed. His mindset is exactly the way it was when he was indoctrinated. It is sad that some people are so desperate that they believe in phonies like Bernie. The message you should learn is that he has helped himself, not you or anyone else. Learn what he did and you will never starve.
     
  10. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Repeating falsehoods over and over doesn't magically make them become true.
     
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    Socialism is a nicer word for communism. Not sure why he is getting heat
     
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    fascism
    noun
    fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \
    Definition of fascism


    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

    centralized government. sever economic regimentation
    sure in the hell sound socialist to me

    and we wont even mention Hitler admitted he is a socialist


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  13. LangleyMan

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    The management of Toyota and Mercedes-Benz did make decisions just as Ford made decisions during WW2 even though Fird didn't make cars for civilians.

    Japan and Germany recovered rather quickly after WW2 precisely because the capitalist business structure was not destroyed by collectivizing production. Mercedes-Benz and Toyota went back to doing what they did before the war.
     
  14. Polydectes

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    yeah under the gun if the Nazi regime. Wow you are the best debater ever you should be in the Joe Biden campaign. Help him out.

    Your point?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no they didn't recover quickly they were occupied and propped up by America for over a decade America spent 13 billion dollars on Germanies recovery that is over 100 billion in todays dollars Germany didn't become fully independent with out outside assistance not till the late fifties almost 15 years latter
    you just make crap up absent of any facts
     
  16. Jestsayin

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    I get it, you are having another rough day. Pray for ol'e Bern to be the alt-lefties candidate and we will see how that turns out for you.
     
  17. ellesdee

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    Venezuela’s problems stem from a century of mismanaged policies around their oil reserves from both capitalist and socialist policies.

    But none of this is even in your little soundbite. You’re just inventing context for it. He stated breadlines for poor is better than only bread for the rich.

    If you’re going to say you can’t agree with that concerning something like a worst-case scenario, you’re lying.
     
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  18. ellesdee

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    Capitalism breaks down, too, sometimes.

    **** happens.

    If you’re going to try to say you can’t agree that bread lines for the poor is better than bread for the rich alone within certain worst-case scenarios, you’re lying.
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    Strut your stuff. :rolleyes:
    You're not an economist, that's for sure. Creating wealth and distributing the return on the factors of production are different matters. Yes, my auto repair business helped me and the one hundred employees, but we did divide up the return between management and the employees.
    All taxes not specifically tied to a government service provided the individual voluntarily paying the tax are redistributing wealth. All taxes. Every last dime.
    So, how would you explain the impact of tax reductions given to those who invest in the economy?

    You're assuming the rules impacting incime distribution are fair. Why should we have so-called "right-to-work" laws that make it difficult and even illegal for workers to organize and strike? Why should you have to work next to people you don't like?
     
  20. LangleyMan

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    Something you should learn.
     
  21. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Witty, you should do stand up.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    Hitler was a propagandist who talked up his brand of "socialism," not a collectivist.

    Dictionaries are books detailing common usage. If you can convince enough people, you can change the meaning of a term...

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  23. LangleyMan

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    Evidence that Germany and Japan did not collectivize production.
     
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    You should stop talking about what you know not.
     
  25. Polydectes

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    Is non-existent. Your claims are not evidence.
     

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