Voter fraud discovered

Then all you need to do is be the 1st the world to offer up proof.
Pretty simple.

 

so far the small amount of fraud we have seen, is all republican voters...

 

the right knows Trump lost, they just think if they pretend to believe he didn't hard enough it will change things - it won't, eventually they will have to accept reality

 

Trump is a gangster. Why should anyone believe that his voters are honest people?

 

Proof of what? That voter fraud exist? You are denying voter fraud exist?

 

Me>> The 2000 election was decided by .0004% of the vote in Florida. 238 votes out of 5,825,043 votes so stop with the fraud is so rare it doesn't matter canard. All across the country there are close local elections where just a few case of fraud could swing the results. In Virginia 2016 just ONE fraudulent vote could have determined which party controlled the statehouse. So again stop with the canard.

And this time, Florida 2000, it was one. And we have LOTS of other elections in this county you are not aware of that? You think the ONLY elections are for Presidential Electors? I gave you an example of few being .0004% out of 5,825,043 you don't think that is "few". I gave you and example where the a state legislative seat election ended in a tie, a DEADHEAT, where ONE fraudulent vote could have determined which party controlled the statehouse. You don't think that is few. You don't think there are close elections throughout the country every year?

Address what I posted this time.

 

PROVE WHAT? What are you denying? Are you denying the outcome of Florida 2000 which determined who would be President was decided on those few votes?

 

So because she was missing, having been murdered, and her name appeared in the news reports. THAT is how the system is supposed to work, by happenstance someone at the election office saw the report in the news?

 

It's possible, but the vote didn't go through. If your point is that lots of dead people ballots are stolen and their votes go undetected, you will have to provide some evidence as this case isn't it. This case is about someone who tried to cheat the system, and among 150 million voters, there is bound to be at least one person who tries to cheat.

I do agree though that some ballot rolls need to be cleaned up. In some instances, fraud was detected only after the ballot was turned in and not when the request was made. Certainly the system needs an update, but overall it's been pretty effective at detecting fraud. I haven't heard of anyone saying their ballots were being stolen out of their mailboxes.

 

Silly. Did you remember what you were posting about?
Did it change the results.

After all your in a thread about trump voter cheating.

 

You stupid claims you never prove.

 

Are denying that just that few number of fraudulent votes in Florida 2000, less than 300 votes, could have changed the results? That in Virginia 2016 just ONE fraudulent vote could have changed the outcome and determined which party controlled the statehouse? Will you admit the entire "well voter fraud has to be widespread and huge to have an effect" claim is a canard and that elections can be decided by VERY close margins where YES even just a few fraudulent votes could change the outcome?

 

Why do I have to prove "lots"?

The case was attempted to be made that this guy getting caught in voter fraud proves our election system works. That is utter nonsense, the fraudulent vote got caught by happenstance.

Some? Which ones never have to be cleaned up? And once you clean it up that's it you never have to do it again. It has to be routine and complete. I get notices routinely and keep up with my registration to make sure some mistake hasn't happened, I get a card a year. Of course my address hasn't changed in 36 years. I don't get the idea of people who haven't voted in three years and moved and then go to what was their polling place to vote and are told they are no longer on the voter list screaming OPPRESSION. It's your job to keep your voter information up-to-date and accurate.

A fraudulent request can be made. And yes in the past it has been pretty effective and in particular measures such as voter ID at registration and when the ballot is cast and more efforts to keep voting rolls clean and ensuring ballot protection help to do so. But it's these current efforts to get of those measures and open voting to fraud with lower ID requirements, lower if any signature matching on mail in ballots, unsecure ballot casting locations, ballots having to be stored and protected for long periods of time, ballot harvesting and on and on that is threaten that level of integrity

 

Not if the fraud votes went to Bush.
Are you aware that 3 of 5 states this last election was needed to be overturned. And the 3 would have to be the bigger EC count.

Do you think all fraud is against the R's. While you in a thread about trump voter fraud.

 

Because changing laws to make it harder for millions of people to vote over a few bad apples is insane isn't it? Were you upset in the 2016 election? 2012? 2008? 2004? 2000? Because all those elections had voter fraud. If we want a system with zero voter fraud among hundreds of millions of people, then we have to admit no election in our history is legitimate.

The guy caught didn't it, so how exactly did the system fail if he got caught?

Unfortunately with purges/cleaning voter rolls, states are very, very sloppy and remove eligible voters.

You can removed from voters rolls even if you voted 2 years before.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190...ndreds-of-voters-targeted-for-purge-in-ohio/1

Is it acceptable to you that 1500 eligible voters were removed from voters rolls to prevent that one cause of fraud? And other states these mistakes are happening too.

I have a better idea. If you want to stop mail in voter fraud, have Trump stand in front of his audience and tell them to stop cheating because so far generally they are the ones being caught.

 

No law that is being proposed makes it harder for millions of people to vote anymore than voting has always been in fact these laws allow for multiple days of voting and mail in voting. Yes I supported protecting the integrity of our elections in 2016,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,34,2,1,0...................... I want a system with the least voter fraud and common sense measures to insure that integrity. Why don't you?

The "system" didn't catch him, he was "caught" by happenstance.

No they haven't been, some voters have been very, very sloppy in keeping their registrations up to date.

Where?

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190...ndreds-of-voters-targeted-for-purge-in-ohio/1

They were sent last chance notices, all they had to do was respond and it was a vendor error that was corrected and had any of them not followed up the notification they were sent, don't know why they would but say a couple didn't, they would be allowed to cast a provisional vote and have time to correct the error.

Read your own cite before you use it
"A Dispatch analysis found that 1,641 voters who cast ballots after the 2015 primary election — an action that should have prevented them from being placed on a potential purge list — were sent last-chance notices this summer, warning that their registration could be canceled Sept. 6 if they didn’t act."

So IOW you have no ideas. Fine the rest of us will come up with them.

 

They could have gone either way dodge noted. And of course I don't think all fraud is against R's, do you think all fraud is by R's?

Why do you believe the only elections in this country are for Presidential elections. Elections for governors, mayors, city councilmen, judges, state representatives, school boards, sheriffs and on and on and on are important too you know.

 

And all it takes is a few bad apples to change the outcome of an election all the way from dog catcher up to President.

 

But that is not what the thread is about.
Nor is that what has the trump crowd in an uproar.
It's the fact the 2X impeached voted out incumbent lost and can't accept real results. So lying and making up false claims is all that's left.

 

I addressed what YOU brought up. Dodges noted.

The fact is fraud occurs and in close elections it can sway the results and this instance doesn't prove the system worked as was claimed. It shows we need more protections against mail in voter fraud.

 

But has never been a cause for the results of the election at the president level.
You did not really answer, you deflected to 2000 and Fl. Which never had fraud determine the outcome either.
Fraud is 0.000004% and will never be 0.00% ever/
There's always going to be fraud, but it's insignificant. That's what you ignore and deflect to Fl in 2000.

 

Define insignificant. You don't know if fraud has every changed the outcome and can't prove that and WHY do you believe the ONLY elections in this country are those for presidential elections? I gave you several examples including FL. A change of less than 300 votes, 300 fraudulent votes out of over 5 million could have changed the election. I gave you the example of just ONE fraudulent vote could have decided which party controlled the state house in Virginia. I think it was Utah or Nevada where a Congressional seat was down to 15 votes. Remember when Al Franken won his Senate seat and the insignificant difference in votes won?

Why do you keep claiming that fraudulent voting has to be widespread and huge to change the outcome of an election.

 

I know you can't prove fraud ever changed the outcome.
And since it is near insignificant. It is the most logical conclusion. Unlike the trump conclusion of lying about it.

trump lost in multiple states. Not just one made a difference. He lost in a landslide, according to his words on his victory margin in 2016. The EC count was near identical.

This thread is about fraud at the president election level. Stay on topic.
And the found fraud went to trump.

 

It's not my burden to do so.

How significant does it have to be to change the outcome of the election?

And that is the ONLY election that has ever happened or ever will? What a specious argument.

It's about voter fraud and the "SEE REPS DO IT TO" and then the claims it doesn't matter. The election for my govenor and mayor are important too you know. Why do you insist the ONLY elections that matter are those that are for presidential electors? And I showed you a presidential election which was decided by .00095% of all votes cast, .009% in just Florida. Define insignificant number. And then you ignored the other close elections I have noted elections with critical outcomes.

 

Who caught the ballot? The police or the elections office?

So Ohio would have incorrectly removed thousands of voters had it not been for crowdsourcing, but you think states' current methods are not messy.

I am aware they were sent notices, but these postcard notices look like junk mail which everyone tosses away. Why can the city go door to door instead of sending junk mail?