War On Electric Cars: BigOil Smugly Says: "Let the Free Market Decide"

I say we let the liberals add $3 more per gallon tax so we all take to scooters just like in Taiwan. A video doesn't do it justice. You need to experience the scooter traffic first hand.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLoSjsjZWN4"]Scooters in Taipei, Taiwan - YouTube[/ame]

 

The HUGE advantage of a national fleet of electric cars is that those cars are easily fueled by whatever makes the power cheapest without having to replecae the HUGE base of cas and refueling stations.

ZTo go to ANY other fuel we have to change trillions worth of cars and infracture, keeping the old fuel going while the new fuel gets distributed.With hydrogen, bio-diesel, natural gas, alcohol, ALL of them,w e have a multi-decade, multi-trillion dollar conversion.

If we go to electric fuel, we do it ONCE, and NEVER again.

Then the fuel can be centralized or distributed, from deserts or backyards, from HUGE nuclear or fusion plants, whatever is best at the time.

Got wind? Charge it!!
Got Natural gas? Charge it!
Got nuclear generation? Charge it!
Got your own solar panels in the back yard? Charge it when you are not cooking dinner!
Got hydroelectric when the rivers are high? Charge it!

And the electric fleet will balance out the USA's electrical load because we tend to use electricity during the day, and less at night, which is the primary time for car charging. The power plants can keep running instead of wasteful starting and stopping, or using spare peak power to do stupid things, like we do now.

Electric cars make incredible sense for our country. And the time to start the conversion has passed. Anyone who could use the current electric cars should be encouraged to have one to get the changeover started.

 

It is free market (except...well...you will be paying a penalty for not purchasing HC). So, if you are enamored with electric cars buy one and tell us how wonderful they are, but don't try and lay a guilt trip on those that don't.

 

After N.C. Fire, Duke Energy Advises Customers to Suspend Use of Electric Car Chargers

LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Good job fellas!

I wonder how long it will take Homeowners insurances to either charge extra or exclude fires caused by these charging stations. There are a lot of old houses that would require serious wiring upgrades to install a charging station.

 

Those same old houses may need serious wiring improvement to buy a new dryer!

The standard car chargers don't use any more amperage than that needed to use an electric space heater from Target!

Does house insurance charge extra or exclude fires from space heaters?

The Right Wing industry apologists will say ANYTHING, no matter how UNTRUE, to protect Big OIL.

 

Dryers in So Cal are natural gas.. No one answered my question....How far will an electric car go in heavy traffic with the air conditioning on? If you have to stop and charge it dinner could be about 6 hours late.

When they can go 330 miles on a charge and can be fueled as fast as my Honda Accord, get back to me. Till then it's nothing more than a novelty.

 

The same emissions at twice the price? I am all for what ever company wants to produce what ever it thinks will sell, the caveat is NO Government subsidies or investment...NONE! The product will either stand or fall on it's own merit.

 

Hypocrite.

The "market" for electrics is miniscule. It's a non-starter. Hybrids, sure (and they are being built!), pure electrics, no.

There was no "forced recall". As I have told you (at least) three times, the EV1 was not sold to anyone at any price. They were LEASED, when the leases ended, GM took them back.

 

Free citizens also smugly say let the free market decide.

The audacity.

 

How much free choice did the government give the American people when they destroyed commercial rail and built the interstate?

 

That's what they said about the Hybrids when they first came out!
Face it. . . the future doesn't belong to gas gustlers!

If you're a car salesman (you sound like one!), you may want to switch to a brand that has enough vision to SELL hybrids and electric cars. . .or you'll go the way of the dinosaurs

 

Electric cars and their chargers are fire hazards.

 

Yeah. The Free Market is a convenient card for BigOil to pull when it comes to their profits...but when it comes to their losses, they will gladly throw the free market out the window to socialize their losses onto taxpayers.

 

Who, exactly, are "they"? What, exactly, did "they" say about hybrids? Be specific.

You are projecting your own faults on others, it's unseemly.

 

Big oil companies can be smug. Most large oil companies are heavily invested in natural gas. Look at the distribution of home energy sources in the USA. Oil companies don't have to worry about coal since the government has already declared a war on coal. Electric cars are a waste of time until the infrastructure has been established (i.e. nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelectric). The sum of all of those sources in the USA is 20 % at best in most locations. France is the ideal location to sell electric cars with 80 % nuclear power for home energy. If it doesn't work there, it won't work anywhere.

Pick your poison, hydrocarbons out the tailpipe or hydrocarbons at the power station.

 

The same people who know are bashing the rise of the electric cars.

The "status quo" supporters, and the big oil propaganda machine.

Don't YOU remember?

 

Yep Dr. Righteous. The Evil Government sure looks nice when it comes to trimming your overhead with subsidies..

 

The US needs to recognize that the world is demanding green cars. In their financial crises they are needing to lower their GDP flowing out of country and into OPEC.

Japan as usual is noticing trends and staying on top of them [except when it comes to their energy policy..if they bite the natural gas bait like they bit nuclear]. Anyone who would promote the US stop tweaking the electric car to keep up with foreign competitors is frankly insane. Wanting to be the last country to peddle the horse and buggy is nostalgic for sure. But antiques are antiques. The world marches forward in spite of old fashioned sentiments..

 

you're all over the map here

I travel internationally A LOT even to those countries who espouse to be "green"

I see scooters because many can't afford a car and I see mostly manual transmissions because they require less power than automatics and I see a lot of diesel and 3 cylinder gasoline engines

You know what I don't see? Hybrids and electric

so, the term "green" could simply be better mpg but you want to misrepresent it as being more. You want jobs? Then drill baby drill

 

You don't see hybrids and electrics because people in those countries can't afford them, likely enough. That doesn't mean the demand for them isn't there. That doesn't mean that as demand increases, prices won't fall. The Japanese pretty much have a monopoly on them. The US is trying to take a chunk out of that. As usual we let another country take the lead on a new product because our entrenched monopoly guys are too lazy and fat to keep up with the times. Easier to crush the competition than to innovate eh?

To have a car that charges its own battery on the downhill and when the fuel motor runs is pretty neat. It uses less gas..a vast amount less than comparable cars of its size.

When they start implementing platinum before the combustion stroke in engines instead of after it just to clean up wasted fuel [in the catalytic converter], they're going to see an increase in power and efficiency as well. What a neat trick BigOil did to convince auto makers to put the platinum catalyst AFTER the power stroke. That means a ton of smog pumps and recirculators putting an extra drag on fuel efficiency [even more money for BigOil]. Instead of buring more completely where you need it, in the cylinders to push the car along, they put it where no work will be done, in the exhaust system.

They knew then as they know now that they purposefully engineer cars to use more fuel than necessary....and when a car comes along that uses much less fuel, naturally "there's something wrong with it". The only thing wrong with it is that it stands in the face of an entrenched monopoly that has one singular goal in mind: the total destruction of the faith and confidence of the consumer in it, if not the outright stonewalling that used to work in the past...

 

liberals, if you hate gas powered cars then please lead by example and get rid of your gas burner and invest in a bike or an electric car. please stop trying to make me buy into something i dont want to. i like my cars, put alot of hard work into them and i dont want no crappy lil duracell powered tuna can.

please, go get your electric car, stop trying to dictate our lives.

 

are you serious?

have you even paid attention to the automobile industry the past 4 decades?

let's review a family sedan in 1970. let's discuss USA only. Maybe the family had a 4 door sedan be it a Chevy, Ford or Plymouth/Dodge.

It sat 5 comfortably and perhpas 6 if the front had a bench seat.

The vehicle had a small block V8 which did not put out too much power. It got about 12-14 mpg. Fast forward to today and you have Honda Accords, Ford Fusions, Toyota Camry's which seat 5 very comfortably, have good power and get 25-28mpg around town and over 30mpg on the highway.

You can try and cite CAFE all that you want but it's the market which drove that. You can get past CAFE because it's based upon averages. So, import in a few 3 cylinders which get 60-70 mpg and that drives up my averages

 

Kind of like when the government called Toyota for a recall on "sticky gas pedles"? How convienent that the #1 selling car in America gets a government scrutiny just after the government bails out GM. How convienent that the #1 car also got the most MPGs. And how convienent that once Toyota took a hit to their sales, that Honda was the next target of the government. Then amazingly, there was found to be no trouble with either brand what so ever. It is only a matter of time till Toyota and Honda puts GM back up for a bailout.

 

sadly GM hasnt made a great car in atleast 20 years or so. everything they do these days is a friggin mistake. i dont know what engineers they hire to design these cars but they are truly horrible and being an automechanic i dont need no (*)(*)(*)(*)ed education from MIT to see the failure of these (*)(*)(*)(*) boxes being pushed out by Government Motors.

their first mistake is they tend to build the car first and then figure out how the hell they are gonna put a motor and trans in. in which the engineer doesnt give a (*)(*)(*)(*) because they dont have to worry about actually working on the car, as long as they can squeeze the engine somewhere they are content. i must say though that SAAB is the absolute worst about this lol, i cant stand to see a Saab pull up to the shop haha.

i mean its truly sad that BMW's are 10 times easier to work on than an American car, well atleast in my point of view. thats problem number 2 lol considering german engineering is very strong and thorough, yet still can be a major pain in the ass in some cases, id still rather work on a BMW over most of what GM has to offer lol.

basically thats the main problem with GM engineering, they design the shell of the car and then try to cram suspension,engine and trans in it afterwards and the finished product is pretty much a cluster$%^& of fail. im not even gonna get into their sideways engines, they sure as hell cant do those right either.seems to me like they really need to pay attention to Honda when it comes to that.

ugh, if only GM found someone who knew what the hell they were doing when it came to engineering vehicles, they may be worth a (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Electric cars are actually more of a threat to the parts industry.

Internal combustion vehicles require a lot more maintenance and parts replacements than electric vehicles.

While Big Oil played somewhat of a part in the decline of electric vehicles, a lot of the pressure to phase out the EVs was from parts manufacturers and resellers.