War On Electric Cars: BigOil Smugly Says: "Let the Free Market Decide"

All thats BS.

If electric cars actually did what consumers want, everyone would have one.

They dont. Face it.

 

They will do what consumers want when oil becomes scarce or when pollution gets too bad to not go electric.

Lack of consumer interest was a contributing factor to the decline of the EVs, but it wasn't the whole story.

The EVs were never really designed to take over the market full scale anyway. From the very beginning, they were aimed at a niche market.

Remember when the first hybrids came out? It took several years for hybrids to become mainstream. Part of it was just a matter of improvements in technology, but the other part was that they actually were marketed in a way that worked.

The marketing for the EVs clearly showed that GM only had a half-hearted interest in promoting electric vehicles. Even the Cruze was a shoddy effort by GM.

 

Which, by the way, is controlled by a government-granted monopoly held by SoCal Edison. That monopoly is good because it's not BigOil and they are happy to take taxpayer money to spend on green energy boondoggles that make politicians look good.

 

I suppose there is a study to back up that claim? It costs $2500 to $5000 just to replace the battery pack in a hybrid let alone an all electric car. That cost would be the equivalent of replacing the whole motor in a regular car.

 

It's a matter of timing. Replacing the battery packs on newer hybrid models, for example, is only necessary every 5 years or so. That's a lot of lead time between purchases.

As technology improves, plug in electric cars might eventually have packs that last for longer than that.

Hybrid technology was a compromise in the sense that the internal combustion part of the vehicle still has plenty of parts that need regular replacement, while the electric part allows people to spend less on gas.

 

not many cars need a new engine every 5 years and its very rare you are gonna spend $3k-$5k on your car within that time either as long as you take care of it.

hell my M3 is 8 years old and the only money i have spent on it other than oil changes is the money i used to buy personal modifications i.e. carbon fiber hood,wheels and tires,new front bumper,brakes and a new clutch. other than the clutch everything else was bought because i wanted it, not because i had too.

hell i only have to change my oil every 15000 miles if i went by BMW's standards so thats basically only 1 time a year. but i still change it every 7500 because i want to.

out of all these years the only things on my M3 that have worn down are the clutch and the rear struts, other than that she still runs like a dream.

sorry but ill stick with my wonderfully engineered M3 instead of having to pay $5k every 5 years along with whatever other crap eventually breaks on these crappy electric tuna cans.

 

You drive a BMW, not a GM car.

Look, if GM was on the same level as BMW, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

My 1992 Honda Accord is 19 years old and I've never had to replace the motor, a little more than a battery pack price wise. I've owned the car since 2001. Since that time I've replaced the tires, battery, Idle Air Control Valve and O2 sensor for a total of about $1200. That's over 10 years. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds, you have to maintain a gasoline engine AND replace an expensive battery pack.

How far will an all electric vehicle go in heavy traffic with the Air Conditioner running?

 

Blah blah blah big oil blah blah blah.......

The "war" on electric cars is all in your head. If you don't like oil companies, don't support them. Pretty easy, really.

 

92? Geez... I'm impressed that it's lasted that long, but man...

 

That's equivalent to saying "let the free market decide" in a market controlled by monopolies..


Read the OP again..

 

Where do you put the groceries?

I remember when I first was stationed in Germany in the mid 1980s. I saw a crowd of about 20 mopeds roll up on the town I was in as I ate dinner with friends at a sidewalk cafe. I remarked how I thought the youth in Germany were so environmentally friendly and somewhat rich to have mopeds. My German friend told me it was the local gang.

Real scary, LMAO.

 

My problem with electric is in towing capacity and vehicle size. The main reason I have the truck I do [Nissan Frontier Longbed Crewcab] is two-fold. First, I'm a woodworker and I need a truck bed that can accommodate lumber and logs up to 10 feet long. Second, I'm out in nature a lot. I camp, boat, hike, etc. Being able to tow [and carry 3-4 passengers] is important to me.

There simply isn't a vehicle capable of handling these capacities at this time.

 

How far will an all electric vehicle go in heavy traffic with the Air Conditioner running?

 

That would depend on the battery. With current technology, probably not far when compared to a hybrid or gas-powered one.

 

The Corvette is a genuine supercar, giving exotic performance at a fraction of the price. The ZO6 will hang with cars three times its price, the fire-breathing ZR1 might be the closest thing to a race car available at a dealership today...and I recall it is the fastest street-legal car on the Nurburgring circuit!

 

Thanks for the info.

 

The word "probably" means that it was an opinion, not "information"..

 

No, actually, it means the question is too vague to answer properly.

 

Will the US keep up with world markets in hybrid or electric cars or will it continue to try to peddle the antique cars to foreign countries strapped for cash and looking to maximize fuel economy to the hilt?


Was that question clear enough for you?

 

It's pretty easy to see an all electric car simply isn't ready for prime time. Why would I pay $44,500 for an all electric Coda that can only travel marginally over 100 miles under the optimal conditions. If I'm in heavy Los Angeles traffic in July when it's 105 degrees, I need to shut the Air Conditioner down just so I can make it home? Sorry, that's going to be a real tough sell when I can buy a brand new Honda Civic with Air Conditioning I can run all the time and get a combined fuel mileage of 32 MPG city and highway and get it loaded for $23,455. All electric vehicles may be ready in another 10 to 20 years.

 

lol thats not the point. the fact of the matter is GM very well could be a true quality vehicle just like BMW, but they let these idiotic engineers totally drag them down with the (*)(*)(*)(*) boxes they produce. thats the point im getting at. in no way shape or form should you be paying more to fix a (*)(*)(*)(*) GM than a BMW, but i see it way too often.

crappy engineering holds them back. im serious its like they took a simple idea and do their best to try and make it as complicated as possible lol.

 

we are talkin affordability here dude. yes the Vette is probably the only thing GM does right, its still a pain in the ass to work on but they,for the most part, did that car right.

oh and um you might wanna take a look at what ford is doing with the new mustang, its cheaper and gonna be blowing the doors off vettes very soon.

got any comments about the rest of GM's (*)(*)(*)(*) line up? and please dont mention the new Camaro lol, cus when i see them i laugh and think about Carrol Shelby lol. GM is literally a failure, if they were gone tomorrow id probably shed a tear that a legend is gone but at the same time it would be a big load off my chest knowing i wont have to deal with any new screw ups GM decides to put on the road.

 

im not. ive seen a honda civic go 90,000 miles before an oil change before it blew up lol. hondas can and will last you 300k+ miles very easily.

 

I bought a 1982 Honda Accord with 65,000 miles on it in 1986 when I moved to California. I junked the car, drove it to the junk yard in 2007 with 307,000+ miles on it. Ole Number 9 was still running well as I walked away. My Granddaughter didn't want the car and I had no room for it anymore.