All of them white, you mean? Not remotely, as it happens. The UK has been heavily influenced by non-European cultures for centuries - that's one of the knock-on effects of having a worldwide Empire. For all of the wrongs of Imperialism, one positive thing it did do (along with worldwide trade, of course) was bring people and cultural influences from all over the world to the UK.
For centuries? How exactly? I don't understand how the dilution of a country's culture can be called positive? And thanks for just completely ignoring my replies to you on the previous page.
Recognise this building (built in the late 18th/early 19th century, reflecting the fashionable interest in all things 'exotic' at the time)? Just one symptom of the centuries-old inflences of non-European cultures in the UK, of course. To bring that more up to date, what is the most popular meal that people in the UK eat when they go out? It's 200 years since the first restaurant in the UK serving Indian cuisine opened, and now it's a part of everyday life for pretty much everyone. Black Africans have been coming to the UK since Tudor times (Elizabeth I wrote letters complaining about it), and at various times in some numbers, particularly around major ports such as London and Cardiff. The Chinese and Indians have been trickling in for centuries, too, though in smaller numbers. Even many of the more recent immigrants from the various parts of the Commonwealth (including many of African descent from the Caribbean, of course) have been here for over half a century. That's just immigration, though - it doesn't include the wider direct importing of cultural, artistic, design, fashion, food, technology, ideas, etc. from around the world. When was there an un-'diluted' culture in the UK? Give me a date when the Uk was in any sense 'monocultural'.
I don't understand how the architecture of a single building and some restaurants selling foreign food can be called 'heavy influence'. Same with the negligible numbers of non-Europeans moving here before WWII. Britain hasn't hasn't been successfully invaded since 1066. I think nearly one thousand years is enough time time to build up an individual culture, don't you? Are you suggesting that rapid, potentially irreversible changes to the society that this country's indigenous population are used to are ok because the culture was formed because of events that no one currently alive is even close to old enough to have lived through? Edit: You are still ignoring my previous replies.
There has never been a single 'British' culture to dilute; Gauls, Saxons, Vandals, Vikings, Romans, Celts, West Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Normans; all have contributed to whatever it is you call 'British culture'.
Aren't you folks glad that we have a political party that desires to turn America into a conglomeration of England, Greece, Mexico, and Europe as a whole, with a healthy measure of Syria thrown in just for cultural diversity? I know the thought sure brings cheery relief to my aching bones.
but somehow if starkey had stated, the rioters are being influenec by Gaelic culture you would not have one issue with it. Both you and the other Taffy decry starkey's racism without understanding the nature of your own bias.
Did I say that? European culture affecting European countries is different from non-European culture affecting European countries.
Just symptoms, as I said. For centuries various parts of UK society have taken influences from all over the world, and emulated them in various ways. Food and architecture are two aspects where it manifests itself, but there are many more - look at the late 19th century obsession in 'fashionable society' for worshipping everything Japanese, for example. Non-European cultural influences, are nothing new in the UK. So when was this period of supposed monoculturalism in the UK that came before these brand new influences? What dates were the UK monocultural from and to? When did this monocultural UK society exist?
Why do most of them have authoritarain governments in the first place? Why have they not been able to develop a more inclusive style of government for themselves before now? Why has it taken the people so long to overthrow authoritarianism? How were these authoritarian regimes able to sustain and support themselves, and keep the population so oppressed beneath them? Here's a clue - read the history of the Middle East during and after the ages of European Imperialism. If there was indeed any form or 'superiority' in the wast it was in having superior weapons and making superior war. I do not believe that enforced assimulation of anyone is necessary for people to live together in society. I do not people should be forced to give up their own beliefs and identity to 'fit in'. I believe we can all celebrate and enjoy our differences, while still celebrating and enjoying our own 'identity', whatever we ourselves feel that to be, without having to force anyone else to 'be exactly like us'. I do not accept enforced cultural conformism is in any way a good thing. Multiculturalism is what the UK was built on and has always had, despite all the attempts at forced assimulation of various groups. Same for the USA, for that matter. I repeat the question - when exactly was it that the UK had a single, monocultural 'national identity'?
when you see thread after thread about demands for food stamps and flash mob attacks singling out white people you wonder if Starkey hasn't hit the nail on the head. But then, you are not allowed to tell the truth if it reflects poorly on a victim class. some group will come along and demand that the press sugar coat the cimes. Oh wait. There is a thread about that too. that's Cenydd's point. If you make a truthful statement that reflects poorly on a chosen group, you are a racist. Let's just sugar coat. I'd like to see the two Taffys goes into SE Wash DC some night unarmed and looking all white and pale. Rotsa Ruck
When's the last time the Indians rioted in the UK, and burned up British neighborhoods? Have the Chinese pimped Brit girls? The Hindus causing all the rapes in Oslo, Norway? Or, are some cultures more prone to these acts? _
His 'argument' on the video is quite clearely based on nothing more than bigotry towards black people and a view of the superiority of his own over them. That proves him to be a racist. If he wasn't a racist, why would he be referring to the affectations being adopted by the section of society to which he refers as being of a culturally 'American' influence, which they are, rather than being just of a 'black' influence. His racial bigotry is quite obvious to see as the basis of his comments, and that proves him to be a racist (in addition to being a cultural supremecist bigot, which is something already well known). Of equal value, yes - that is exactly what I am saying.
Some of Starkey's previous comments: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8016440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3750918.stm http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Starkey-in-39Scotland-adores-failure39.4606819.jp http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/09/22/tv-historian-david-starkey-launches-second-blast-against-scotland-86908-21691747/ His extreme English cultural supremecism is well documented, and well known.
There were asians involved in the recent criminal riots, just as there where white people and black people. I've no doubt that some of those would have been of Indian descent. The chinese community is not somehow immune from committing crime, including involvement with organised crime and running illegal virtual 'slave labour' gangs, in the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Morecambe_Bay_cockling_disaster You do know that the vast majority of those food establishments serving Indian Subcontinental cuisine to the people of the UK are run by Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims, don't you, and that when we go for an 'Indian' we are really referring to a 'Subcontinental' meal (and the dishes served come from, or are influenced from, all over the subcontinent)? You are aware that the former British colony of India included both modern Bangladesh and Pakistan, and that the influences drawn from 'India' came from Muslim as well as Hindu regions and people? You are aware that crimes are committed by individuals from all racial and religious groups? You do know this includes brutal rape, murder, and so on, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lindsay_Hawker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_Singh_%28Hindu_nationalist%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe Or do you believe that all crime and disorder are just a result of the inferiority of blacks and Muslims and their cultures?
this is some good stuff bagpipes = music of failure Mary Queen of Scots = whore and trollop hahahahaha let's face it England has propped up Scotland for how long now? Maybe he is spot on
He's true in what he says though. For instance, small countries like Wales and Scotland do have a tendency toward 19th century style romanticism.
