I'm not glock, but let me take a stab at this. We are well aware that bad behavior and inadequacy resides in all races. We have also been around long enough to have seen the rise of the black sub/counter culture and their liberal minions and how it has destroyed our social fabric and led us into decline as a nation. it's all about making excuses for inadequacy and bad behavior. I got bad grades b/c it's the teacher's fault. My SAT scores are 800 b/c the test is biased they raped and killed b/c they are poor they quit high school b/c of slavery 150 years ago they did not show up for work 3 days in a row without calling off b/c they were drunk. Why follow whitey's rules anyway. where's my food stamps. I'm owed a living I don't know who the baby daddy is. It's a legacy of slavery. whites oppressed me for 300 years, so I'm mugging them at the state fair. Those christians don't like us blocking city streets while we pray as a group to intentionally (*)(*)(*)(*) off non-muslims. they racist. years ago the excuses would not have been tolerated. Now if you don't buy into it, you are a racist or white supremacist. Guess what. I'm not buying into the excuses. and I don't care what you call me b/c i'm right and so is David Starkey. stand on your own two feet or crawl on your belly. your choice.
see my post above. the culture of excuses and blame has obviously been adopted by the UK youth. Starkey nailed it and you hate him b/c he is correct. hahahahah ps cenydd how old are you? Have you been born after 1980?
I am well aware that bigotry and racism exists among sections of all ethnic communities, not just 'whites'. It is equally abhorrent wherever it manifests itself.
If inclusiveness and a willingness to accept and adopt cultural richness and diversity into my country is something you perceive in my posts then I plead guilty. What is 'white culture'? I'd really like to know, because despite several posters having been asked for a description none has been forthcoming.
I hope you don't mind - I've rearranged your points (and repeated a couple of them) in order to deal with them in particular groups - I haven't altered the text of any of them, though. Educational results among poorer communities (of all races) are very likely to be adversely effected by social conditions linked with poverty. It's a vicious circle. Poor areas have more social problems and infrastructure problems, making it harder to attract good teachers, making it harder for kids to get good results, making it harder for them to get jobs, making it harder for them to escape poverty, and so on, and so on. The answer is to work in those communities to improve both opportunity and hope. The answer is NOT to arbitrarily redistribute wealth to them, or to take away personal responsibility - that only makes the problem worse, and self-perpetuating. The answer is also NOT to simply ignore the problem and assume they are just 'lazy' or 'inherently bad' - that also only makes the problem worse, and self-perpetuating. The answer to ensure they have opportunities, and get them to realise that the opportunities are there for them to take - the answer is to give them hope and encouragement, because hopelessness and discouragement is what makes people believe that the only way to survive is through entitlement or dishonesty. When people believe (based on the experience of generations of people in their own communities) there is no point in trying, many of them inevitably eventually don't bother to try too hard anymore. That isn't good for society as a whole, and will certainly manifest itself in a vicious circle within education, as kids don't think there is any point and don't care (supported by parents who also think there is no point), so good teachers see there is no point in them trying and leave to go somewhere they feel more useful, and so on. In many ways, recognising those issues at the point of educating children from a young age (before they become driven by such cynicism), and giving them ongoing hope and opportunity to do well in education, is probably key to addressing the long term problems in the whole society. Even those who aren't academically-minded can be given hope for employment through vocational education. That's much easier to say than to achieve, of course, but it needs to be said in order that it can begin to be addressed - ignoring the problem, or addressing it in the wrong way (by free redistribution of wealth without effort), will only make the downward spiral continue. There is no excuse for committing violent crimes, or for failing to fill individual responsibility, and those who do such things have to take the full consequences of their actions. Again, though, it has to be recognised that there may be social factors in play which contribute to the circumstances that cause people to become so warped in themselves that they commit such acts - dealing with some of those social issues can help to avoid some of those things from happening in the future, although it should never be assumed that it will 'cure' everything. there will always be people who commit terrible crimes in all societies, and those people can't use their circumstances to excuse their actions (and that includes excusing their own bigotry on the basis of previous bigotry from some others towards them - both kinds of bigotry are inexcusable nonsense). I will also repeat here that I am aware that bigotry and racism exist among a minority in all communities, and I find it equally abhorrent no matter what the source. Nobody is owed a living, or should consider that they are owed a living. There will always be some who believe that they are, of course (and that isn't restricted to any particular race by any means!), but they are wrong. However, society does have a duty to ensure that people have a decent opportunity to make a living for themselves, which isn't the same thing at all - it is up to those people to take that opportunity. Society also has a basic moral duty of care to those who are unable to get a job, to allow them to survive at a most basic level. That does not, though, mean any redistribution of wealth to allow them to live comfortably without having to work to get the means to do so. Ah - the slavery arguement. That one is not something we really hear at all in the UK, and I don't realy see much validity of it in the modern situation, to be honest. There is, however, some justification for suggesting that a contibutory factor to the number of black people in poverty is the ongoing added opportunity disadvantage caused by the bigotry of some employers and their refusal to give black people (especially those from poor and 'troubglesome' neighbourhoods) a level playing field when it comes to offering them a job. I guess it could be argued that slavery, and the perception of 'inferiority' that it bred, was a contributary cause of that kind of thing, but it's not a strong argument for the modern issue - I don't support any claims for 'compensation', or any of that nonsense. It's certainly no excuse for evading individual responsibility, but then certainly things like 'I don't know who the daddy is' aren't in any way restricted to people of a certain race! The religious conflict is another self-perpetuating spiral, with people (on both sides) reacting ever more feverishly to the percieved 'threat' from the other. The solution to that one is simply realisation that people can be 'different' without that making them 'bad', and where there are points of potential conflict having a spirit of tolerance, compromise and common sense. Quite true, but it's very much harder to 'stand on your own two feet' if your leg muscles have been significantly weakened by growing up being tied into a chair of poor opportunity caused by the actions of growing up in a society surrounded by poverty and hopelessness. Society needs to address those disadvantages of background to allow people the ability to stand on their own two feet. Once they have that, of course, it still ultimately has to be up to them to stand up for themselves - society should be addressing the disadvantages that cause the muscle weakness, not providing a lifelong scaffolding frame to support the upright position of those who simply can't be bothered to use their own legs!
Followed by... Which seems to be something a racist bigot might repeat, but maybe I'm wrong. It is certainly inaccurate, from the significant numbers around the world who have fallen hearing the sound of Scottish military pipers. As to Mary, she was not mistress of her own fate in turbulent times, but judge away and as usual, facts are unimportant. Mary...as opposed to Elizabeth of England, who was a murderess, of her own family, too. And her father Henry of course, also a murderer before her...of his own wives. England has not propped up Scotland. That is rather the point. Starkey doesn't tell the truth. However, his racism will hopefully give an assist to dissolution of the UK union and that will do all of us a favour. You listen to the wrong people. The rioters were not disenfranchised unemployed youths. They were a cross section of society, many who do not claim any kind of "entitlement"s. You've been asking the kids then? How do you know what kids here want? You don't. Yet you feel "entitled" to judge them... That is only in your house. (a misogynist, among all the other faults) Who? The bankers? The US financial sector? Yes, yes you're right and they have been getting away with that for too long. But don't worry, people are onto them now. Is that in US? The singling out white folks allegation? It wasn't part of the riots here. The only people I see whining persistently about how wronged they are is the right wing. Why don't you all act to improve your community and stop whining about excluding anyone you don't see eye to eye with? Cooperate. My family lived in US as far back as the 1940s. For much of that time, DC was a place not to visit after dark and always to take care about personal safety. Why has that continued? If your country can resolve the NYC gang situation, why doesn't it resolve the DC one? Is complaining better than resolving issues? ?? They don't. Fundies do. No no, that is just for the tourism. Nobody feels victimised here, even the Bannockburn thing was a civil war and not an England beating up Scotland war. It was brother fighting brother. But don't tell anyone. The truth is not romantic and they like a good sob story. Then why don't you stop making excuses for your own inadequacy and do something to improve conditions in your own country. You can't destroy non whites. Why whine about them continually? You have to live with the people who are citizens of your country...they are your equal. They have equal rights with you. They have equal right to live in that country with you. Ah, possible bias there also...as the author is a teacher. Are you saying it is not your fault if your kids don't pass exams and you negate your responsibility in that? Neither am I. If you don't like your conditions, work with your people to fix it. The US non whites are your people. Their race is American, just like you. They are your community. If they visit here, they are called "the Americans". Just as you are. Ah...you must mean right as in Right Wing. It really is abhorrent. Closed minds often are.
Do you even have a single quote from him of something racist or is this just more far left lunacy by labeling people you don't agree with?
I think the trouble is more culture than anything. If you have no stake in the success of your culture, you'll loot it at the first chance you get. And these people have no stake in Britishness -- they haven't built anything for Britainnia, they don't produce anything for Britainnia, all they do is take and demand that the British give them ever more rights and benefits. It's essentially the same reason that your dog chews on your slippers -- dogs are made to be pack animals, and to have a purpose within a pack. When that doesn't happen, they tend to be distructive. People are much the same. No connection to the tribe, no job within the community, no investment in the success of the community -- well, expect some broken glass and criminality.
When something like this explodes, the feeble minded like simple answers. No. They like a scapegoat. I do appreciate some of what DS said in the footage, but it is more a culture of ignorance, educationally and otherwise, than something racial. To imply that black 'culture' is more prediposed to violence and rioting than 'white culture' is misleading. You need only look at the hooligan gangs that blighted football for decades. Not many blacks among those mobs, and they were involved in some large scale disorder, including killing.
How many times...it should be on a loop. The rioters are not unemployed. Some of them are. They are a cross section of society, many are fully employed and yes...even professionals.
Dont link to articles. POINT to the SPECIFIC quote. What we have here folks is the most common form of bigotry from the left. If you defend the culture of your country and want it to succeed you are a bigot and a racist. Despite the fact that all races have lived in England for hundreds of years, the far left lunatics fail to grasp that a culture overrun with immigrants will loose its identity and pointing that out and wanting to preserve the native culture is neither bigoted nor racist. Yet this is the dangerous and ignorant argument thrown out by the far left.
I haven't heard a breakdown of the employed to not employed ratio of any arrested, but if that is true, it wouldn't surprise me. The media are never slow to do the bidding of the politicians, and an easy target for this Gov is to pick on the unemployed, yet again, this time by implying that all the rioters were unemployed, thus being unemployed was something to be demonised. Never mind the small matter that they, the Gov, are adding to the rates of unemployment, including, ironically, cuts to the police. You couldn't make it up. We are spoken AT about 'austerity' by a multi millionaire (Cameron), yet we can find the money to engage in yet another military operation of questionable motive. Why are people not more angry over that, I ask myself? Are they in a stupor of PSgames and the Wi? Even on a more local level, here in my city, despite having our own Government, Scotland is still enslaved to London, for many of the major decisions, we operate with a SNP Government, but with a London Government really calling the shots. Anyway, the people of Edinburgh are told of cuts to this and that, many important things, good things, and yet lots of public money was paid so that a minor Royal could marry her boyfriend here. You couldn't make it up! The guy who is earning min wage is being taught, like a monkey, to hate those that are out of work, and he is being taught this for reasons of divide and conquer, imo. What that man on min wage should really be doing with his rage, is directing at a system that sees Joe Public paying for the wedding of two very well off people. Yet we buy all the excuses, and, even if we don't, it doesn't matter, because there is never a public consulation on these things, they never ask, do you want to spend money on an important project for the city, or to pay for the wedding of two well of people. Basically, they just do more or less what they want, and hope to get we don't get tired of it enough to really bother. That's not democracy, and if it is, I have no idea why we are meant to cherish it so much.
I would eat that snot-nosed little punk alive. You notice every time the one guy tried to make a point he was interrupted and shouted down especially when he pointed out how much crime is committed by the black community. More liberal censorship.
The examples of Starkey's cultural supremecism are quite clear in the articles - they only need to be read for them to be seen.
No, claiming your culture is simply inherently superior to every other culture is cultural supremecist bigotry. Going beyond even that and claiming that things going wrong in your society are caused by your (white) countrymen just becoming 'too black' is racist bigotry. It's really quite simple. It is perfectly possible to enjoy, celebrate, be 'proud' of, feel 'patriotic' about, and even work to protect your own nation's culture and traditions without falling into the trap of such bigotry by thinking that you, your culture and your race are just better than everyone else's. This makes me feel immensely 'proud' and 'patriotic': [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOw-js_0NIQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOw-js_0NIQ[/ame] It is a sound that brings a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye, every single time I hear it. I will be there on Saturday among that crowd singing that song, and you won't find anyone singing it with more passion than me. It stands as a symbol of my nation, its history and its traditions. That doesn't mean I have to think that my nation is somehow superior to everyone else's, or even anyone else's. It doesn't mean I have to regard any visible evidence of another culture in my country as a 'threat'. I come from a nation, in fact, with a long history of genuine and deliberate cultural oppression from its larger and more powerful neighbour - I understand that history, and how appauling cultural supremacy can be when applied by those 'in power' over an entire population in order specifically to stamp out their culture and assimulate them into a different one. That doesn't have to mean I fear or hate new ideas and new developments. Culture is evolutionary - it adapts and changes over time, with continual cross-fertilisation of ideas from all kinds of different sources. Elements of tradition and history can be protected, supported and encouraged to help stop them from disappearing from the nation's conciousness, but that doesn't mean having to fear or despise other nations and cultures, and those of other nations and cultures who want to continue to celebrate elements of their own culture, or the the cultural influences that they bring to a society. We can simply enjoy and celebrate our own cultures, and enjoy and celebrate each other's cultures too, and view them all as having equal value, while cultural evolution continues on its natural way, as it has done for thousands of years.
First you have to define what you perceive as the culture of your country; especially a country which has millennia of absorbing very varied cultures. That's when agendas can be recognised and accusations of bigotry can be levelled if appropriate.
