We need Universal Background Checks

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure I am. I'm far more concerned with providing people with unrestricted firearms , no questions asked. No NFA, no background checks, not even any government knowledge that a transaction has taken place.

    I have no problem with a cash in hand transaction of a prohibited weapon, with the serial number filed off, in some back alley. In short, I have no problem with openly illicit transactions.
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Would you lend a hammer to a felon ?

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/is-it-time-to-call-for-hammer-control/
     
  3. Anders Hoveland

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    I want to make one thing completely clear. We do not need background checks. You can make arguments pro and con whether background checks would be beneficial or not, but are they absolutely needed to maintain law and order and live in a decent society? No. (well, maybe if we were living in a third world country, but I won't go there right now)

    In fact, we could get rid of all sorts of regulations that have been passed since the 1930's and most people would not notice anything different.
    If background checks have any net benefit, it's probably not anything huge. Society will not be influenced in some profound way.
     
  4. nra37922

    nra37922 Well-Known Member

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    AND I may have sold cars to drug smugglers.
     
  5. nra37922

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    Have these tens of thousands of people been prosecuted?
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    without background checks, someone who escaped prison or is wanted on a warrant for murder, can buy a handgun at a local gun store.
     
  7. Texan

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    You can background check a person without registering a gun. The gun doesn't need to be mentioned in the transaction. A valid FOID, military ID, or CHL would provide proof of a valid background check. Why does the government need to register my guns? I use the CHL or only sell to people I know and trust in TX.
     
  8. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    first off, I seriously doubt anyone who is on the run from the law will take time to follow the law and try to buy a hand gun at a shop. That's be like a robber walking into a donut shop full of cops with the intent of robbing the place.
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if there's no background checks to stop him from buying a gun at Walmart, why not?
     
  10. Hoosier8

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    Walmart cannot sell a gun without a NICS check.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well, some folks here believe the NICS system should be gone, and we should sell a gun to anyone who ain't locked up.
     
  12. Hoosier8

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    It did very little to stop any gun violence since most criminals never bought their guns at stores to begin with so their opinion is not too far from reality.
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    without NICS, there is NOTHING stoping criminals from going to stores and FFLs.
     
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    They never went there in the first place.
     
  15. Regular Joe

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    Again and again and again..... Why do these things have to be explained to you, Ron? We HAVE background checks that ALL FFL holders are required by law to perform. That would be the local gun store. Please get that through your head, THIS TIME.
     
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    like, who? Got any proof of that statement?
    You were addressing the issue of a criminal on the run. As usual, you move the goal posts when you know you have erred.
    So let's get back to that on the run criminal with a warrant.... I seriously doubt they would go to any store and buy a gun. That is so stupid.....
    You keep berating folks but fail to make sense yourself. So explain to us how a criminal on the run, with a warrant is going to take time to buy a gun legitimately?
     
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    If you don't know who you are selling it to, then you shouldn't sell it, period.

    It is already illegal to sell to someone who can not legally own a firearm. So, legally you can't sell it to them.
    Do we need someone standing behind us, watching our every move, just because we might do some thing against the law?or what ever.

    We do have responsibilities as private citizens no matter how inconvenient it is.
     
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    By his logic, we should install breathalyzers on the ignition of all cars and our cars should text the police when we speed.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Good idea. Then increase the penalty for disabling it. In fact Flo sells them on TV, and gives you a discount on your insurance for using it.

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact. You don't have a Constitutional Right to keep several tons of raw nitroglycerine stored in your condo.

    Anyone opposing this. Please explain WHY. Why do you want an exception in the law that allows you to sell to convicted felons and/or the mentally ill unless you plan on doing so? You are only allowed counter questions AFTER you have given an answer containing a practical reason you'd need or want it. My question, my rules.
     
  20. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you are against private sales of firearms to strangers?

    ok, I can accept that.
     
  21. Texan

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    This will add $1000 dollars to the cost of everybody's cars, trucks, and motorcycles. You could offset the cost by outlawing stereos, blue tooth, phone use, and GPS' in cars. They are a driving distraction. Outlaw eating in a car and save more money by not installing cup holders. You could increase alcohol taxes to pay for post accident healthcare and you might as well outlaw cigarettes and save money on cars by not installing cigarette lighters.:roll:

    At some point you have to let people make their own decisions and be responsible for them.
     
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    who do you know does this?

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    IMHO, Ron lives in a state of everything MUST be defined by one law or another......so sad he cannot make his own decisions without checking on the laws before he leaves home in the morning.........
     
  23. allislost

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    I would not sell to a stranger without asking questions first....If I wasn't comfortable with the sale, it wouldn't happen.

    If that stranger has a permit to buy or carry, I would probably sell it to him, after getting a copy of his driver's license and CCW and probably make a call to the sheriff of county it was issued in.
     
  24. Ronstar

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    why do you always troll me?
     
  25. Regular Joe

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    Because you warrant it! You think we need to have a federal registry of everyone who engages in the exercise of their Constitutional rights.
    How about we all carry a personal voice recorder. Periodically, we send these things in to the speech police and have it reviewed to make sure that we're always PC. That wouldn't infringe any rights, would it?
    How about we plan our wardrobe a month in advance. An itemized list of what we intend to wear every day for the coming month. Submit that list to the appearance police for approval.
    Oh, and every time we intend to go somewhere that is not in our normal routine, we have to submit travel plans to DHS, so they can make sure that the phone taps and spy drones have us covered ALL the time.
    This is Rons' world.
     

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