Western Bombers kill 39 civilians in Raqa.

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Its Russian and Muslim news let them report it I am sure that in Saudi Arabia and in Iran they'll be reporting it if they don't its their problem not ours.
     
  2. Esau

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    The Brussels attack were in Belgium so let them report it, not the whole western media outlets 24/7
     
  3. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Belgium and us are allies we and Europe and Israel are together against Islamic radicalism and terrorism.
    Let the Iranians, Saudis, Syrians, Russia, China and Iraq report on their terrorism and we'll report on ours.
     
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    It is the only aspect that attracts muslims from over 100 different nations, to travel to Iraq and Syria to fight and die for ISIS. Saudi and Tunisia are the biggest sources of foreign fighters, Jordan the next. Are Sunni Muslims in those nations suffering from any political and socioeconomic alienation other than the denial of an Islamic Caliphate?
     
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    Raqqa is the heart of darkness...i feel no compassion for them.
     
  6. Esau

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    Belgium are not my allies. I am not a sheep and I do not support any of the military invasions the west indulges in. The west is not a democracy it is run by corrupt bankers and corporations whose only interest is profit margins. All of our politicians are corrupt, greedy capitalists and I will have no part in their institutionalized racism and crony tribalism.
     
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    Those bombers were under the direction of Assad, the ruler of Syria. We have come to expect civilians to die in war zones when the people rise up to overthrow their dictators. We have not come to expect civilians to die in airports and train stations, with no war zones anywhere near. Thus the abundance of media coverage.
     
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    Well, it was Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli that were "belligerent state that was hosting the pirates". Morocco was the only one of the 4 that wasn't a province of the Islamic Caliphate of the time in the Ottoman Empire. None of them were considered to be belligerent by the rulers of the Ottoman empire. The Islamic Caliphates have a long history of piracy and coastal raids of Christians for war booty, including Christian slaves. It is what Islamic Cailphates do. BECAUSE.......

    “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
     
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    The west has given Assad all encouragment and support he needs. We are merely using Assad to ethnically clense the region and keep him in power as they see him as part of the tribe.
     
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    Oh, so now the fact that they're Muslim is irrelevant, and all that matters is that they were a province of the Ottomans.

    As if Christian states did not engage in piracy and war booty.
     
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    Not to mention the 18 million Africans that European pirates took captive.
     
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    Fortunately, most members of civilized society, when presented with the choice of siding with Belgium civilians going about their daily lives at the train station and airport, and the Islamic terrorists who seek to dismember by bomb as many as those civilians as they can, most people would ally with the Belgian civilians. Some how, Im not surprised that you would not. Is that because you ally yourself with the Islamic terrorists?
     
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    That's fine you have that right even though you don't want any part of Western capitalism I am sure the West will continue pay for your social benefits and retirement hopefully the Islamist will respect your rights the bottom line is Belgium may not be your allies but it is ours and we support Western policies against the Islamic radicals including aiding our Muslim allies militarily and economically.
     
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    I disagree. Clearly, only a small minority of Muslims who adhere to a literal interpretation of the Quran engage in Islamist terrorism based on the said interpretation. Others are motivated by a combination of resistance to Western imperialism, a twisted sense of adventure and criminality. Also socioeconomic and peer pressure factors play a part in radicalization. In other words, it's a combination of issues, that granted, are often manifested as socially isolated ghettos where a sense of alienation pervades. These are all contributory factors. It's very complex set of circumstances that drive Muslims to terrorism.
     
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    No, the fact that it was the Ottomans is irrelevant. It was the fact that it was the Islamic Caliphate of the times, that enslaving of the Christian unbelievers was permitted. That's what Islamic Caliphates do. The Ottomans and every Islamic caliphate before them, going back to 632.
     
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    You are humorous. So what if they were Islamic Caliphates? Christian states engaged in piracy, slavery, and murder too (and kinda still do).

    But for SOME reason, you put Islam on a pedestal. Perhaps I should be flattered.
     
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    You've not contradicted anything Ive stated. It is the only aspect IN COMMON for muslims from 100 different nations.
     
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    That is why the Ambassador from Tripoli to London, can state

    “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    with the full support of the nation who sent them as a representative.
     
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    All I see are the personal views of an ambassador. Try again.
     
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    But I don't accept that it's the only common aspect. Take the stated rationales for the 9/11 attacks as an example. Contrary to mythology, the vast majority of Bin Laden’s public statements provided secular, not religious, rationales for the New York attacks. The principal purpose of the attacks was to punish the "unjust and tyrannical America". The casus belli he repeatedly invoked was injustice not impiety. True, he occasionally remarks that the United States had declared war on God, but such statements would carry little conviction if not seconded by claims that the United States is tyrannising and exploiting Muslim people… Bin Laden almost never justified terrorism against the West as a means for subordinating Western unbelievers to the true faith. Instead, he almost always justified terrorism against the West as a form of legitimate self-defence. In other words, the Salafist/Whabbist goal is no different from other national liberation movements—to achieve independence by forcing the imperialist power to retreat. The terrorists may express themselves in religious terms, but in essence the aim is the same pursuit as that adopted by previous secular-nationalist movements in the Middle East, namely the defeat of US imperialism and its allies in the region.
     
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    Views of an ambassador that are based upon what "was written in the Koran".
     
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    This happens in war. I commend the Russians for attacking an Isis stronghold.
     
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    Views that are devoid of evidence from what "was written in the Koran."
     
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    Indeed. We shouldn't be in Syria at this point at all, and it's none of our business whether Assad stays in power or not either.
     
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    I disagree. From Bin Ladens Fatwa

     

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