What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Whichever one ends up as the baby.
     
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    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    When the world becomes fair let me know until then it's a dealer's wheel on existence.
     
  3. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither zygote ends up as a baby - are you not paying attention. ?

    So you have one soul that arrives at conception .. and one soul after the first mitotic division .. which ends up in A or B.

    If the soul goes in A .. what happens if B goes on to create another human .. when does the second soul arrive ? .

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  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Then which zygote DOES end up as a baby? ANY?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I told you .. neither ... its like asking - Which brick-layer ends up as the building. I told you ... the zygote - nor the 200 or so progeny will never be part of the structure .. never be a brick in the building.

    So if we take one of these cells .. say number 132 -- freeze this cell and some years later get this cell to create a human. The other 200 cells went on to produce a different human who is born naturally .. and these two meet. Which one has the soul ? - as you claimed there was only one.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't it a spectrum?
    Look, a full grown human adult may weigh 160 pounds, and a newborn baby might only weigh 6 pounds.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no human at the zygote stage .. not 1 billionth of a gram .. not a single cell of this human you want to pretend exists .. exists.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But at some point that human "starts" coming into existence, correct?

    It might be at 2 ounces, or maybe 3.

    Maybe it is a logarithmic/exponential scale.
    (Like the baby starts coming into existence faster and faster as time progresses)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed - at some point. Learned something new just the other day .. apparently the Genome is not complete until around 14 days ,, thought that interesting. This is around the same time the blastocyst has formed .. a hollow sack .. These totipotent cells then start spitting out differentiated and specialized cells .. which are the first cells of the human .. referred to as the embryoblast. not sure how long it takes to get to a couple ounces from there .. probably at least a month.. but thats just a guess.

    but let us dispense with the science of human development.. as this will not tell us when a person exists .. that is the job of Philosophy - bioethics. The question that has been stumping the anti aborts of late is when does the soul arrive - religious arguments accepted :)
     
  10. chris155au

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    Does the zygote have the same DNA as the resulting baby?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup .. as does every other zygote - and you know this - thus a silly question.
     
  12. chris155au

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    The zygote is human life and without it there is no baby. Simple!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right .. as is the case with all the of the Zygote's children - that you wish to kill.
     
  14. chris155au

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    How the hell do I wish to kill them?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You support anti-abortion Legislation do you not ?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Then what is your problem given we have gone over this already .. how zygotes are killed during the process of childbirth.. can you not remember from one post to the next ?
     
  18. chris155au

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    It's a natural process as opposed to the manmade process of abortion.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Matters not .. still killing of "innocent Children" .. We seek to stop all kinds of natural processes from killling people .. Should we not do this ?
     
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    Do what? Prevent natural death by intervening with manmade death?
     
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    I’m very mixed on this topic, and it is probably one of the few topics that I actually may slightly lean liberal on. I believe that abortions should be granted in cases of rape. I think that’s obvious. I also believe they should be allowed if the pregnancy has a high risk of somehow killing the mother.
    I am against late-term abortions. That’s absolutely a living breathing life in there. I am also against abortion if the only reason it is being used is because it “feels better” without condoms, and unfortunately, I’d be willing to be that that is probably 90% of the abortion cases. I think that’s disgusting. There has to be a sense of self-responsibility there. If you just hop from Johnson to Johnson getting pregnant and run to the abortion clinic as your emergency escape, you’re a POS.
     
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    IMO it is not the concern of ANYONE other than the direct family involved in the situation.
    Not the church/mosque/synagogue or any other faith, and not the state which should only make sure any decision is catered for...clean clinics or a responsible social environment.
    No institution can legislate for millions of people all with different circumstances, moral positions and life's situations.
    Ultimately ONE Person is responsible for making the decision, guided by personal or medical advice or not.
     
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    :) You , of course, are welcome to your opinion but it is the old "Punish Women For Having Consensual Sex " theme.
     
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    Putting creepy Boomer Conservatives in the bedrooms of young women to look at how they are having sex is not at all disgusting though, right?

    Why?
     
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    And without zygote there is no corpse.
     

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