What country outside the US is the most promising for the average working man?

I'm seriously considering going abroad as I see this country going down in flames. I've heard good things about Germany, France and others but, I'd like to know from the members here, what country is much more friendly to the average Joe? What country can you actually reap the rewards of your own work as opposed to the mess we have here. What country considers their workers an asset and wants to see their employees thrive (not simply exist) to the point where the worker can have pride in his work, knowing he'll be compensated accordingly and not abused? I gotta get out of this country. Oh...last thing. Where the "corporation" doesn't run everything and everybody. Is there such a country?

 

Brazil, in the petrol industry.

 

Country's not going down in flames. GDP is on the rise, albeit modest and we're out of the recession for years now.

Go to Europe, they're doing much better than us.

(Clueless)

 

I konw the wealthy were doing great. I was asking where the average Joe can go to thrive.

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Please expand.

 

What about the average Joe worker in China? India? Where should they go? If you go to Europe, it means one of them can't go to Europe to work. Only so many foreigners are allowed visas. Are you saying you're better than the average Joe in India or China?

If so, your mindset is similar to the CEOs you hate so much.

 

I'm saying I want an environment where my work pays me and not some fat cat. Do you have a country?

 

Low unemployment, nice standard of living, beaches, plenty of drugs, hot women, and you get to learn Jui-Jitsu so nobody kills you at a Starbucks. Just make sure to wear fire retardant clothing if you go to a nightclub.

 

You should read my thread,http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...democrat-war-middle-class.html#post1062644000

It explains how the Democrats are destroying the "Middle Class." All we have to do is defeat Democrats in this country and the "Middle Class" will thrive!

 

Go to India or China and be amongst your peers. You seem to care about the working so much. China and India have over 2 billion people, most of them working men. Why don't you join them since you believe in workplace equality?

 

What's the pay scale like? What kinds of hours are typical?

 

On a serious note you should go to Brazil, I think that's actually a really good idea. Plus you'd be a foreigner they'd probably treat you well lol

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The GDP per capita is only $12,000 in Brazil. But first, the cost of living is much lower and second, if you have some skills you could get a sick job there. What skills do you have? Need to know before you go to Brazil as it might not be a match.

 

Pay scale is 'nice standard of living', and hours are always 'more than you'd like'.

 

Electronics...IT.

 

I guess Sweden, Iceland, Denmark or Australia? Luxemborg?

You should probably look for options in your own area before you consider moving, after all corporations do exist everywhere. If you're in a poor financial situation moving probably won't do you any good.
You should look into worker cooperatives, they're owned/controlled by the people who work for them and in many cooperatives you'll receve multiple times what you would doing the same thing for a corporation. People who work in cooperatives usually get paid a cut of the profit, unlike people who work in corporations who usually recieve a fixed wage. If you live in a city I'd be surprised if you couldn't find some decent cooperatives in your area.
Good luck.

 

Belize

 

I think you are looking for something that doesn't really exist. I'm in Germany now. The average wage is a little higher than in the US, but that is mostly for menial labor jobs. Technical jobs are paid about the same.

Corporations still make a profit here, so a labor-value theory person would still consider them to be thieves. You are paid on a standard wage or salary basis, just like the US, but the promotion rates and raises are slower here.

Most importantly, taxes are much higher here than in the US. Expect to pay about 50% higher income tax here than you do in the US (more that that if you make six figures). There is also a 19% VAT levied on everything you buy, so prices are higher here. The nice thing is that all listed prices include VAT, so you know exactly what your total will be.

There are also punitive environmental taxes on things like oil and gas. You pay about 1.50 euro per liter for gas (about $7.30 per gallon) and a quart of oil can be as high as 20 euro. Electricity is also more expensive, but I haven't done an annual reconciliation yet, so I'm not sure how much more expensive.

They do treat workers a bit better here. Waitstaff work for wage, not tips (which is good because people here don't tip much. ) You are expected to take a one month vacation every year, usually in the summer and almost always all at once. Healthcare is provided and the hospitals are pretty good. Only restaurants and a few gas stations are open on Sunday - even grocery stores are closed - so you probably would never work weekends.

Actually, Sunday is a day of rest here. Even mowing your lawn or washing your car on Sunday is frowned on.

There are plenty of other odd rules. Recycling is mandatory and the won't pick up your trash if it is improperly sorted. You can get a ticket for leaving your car idling while you scrape frost off your windows.

Still, it is a rather nice place to live. The people are quite friendly. Most of the younger people speak some English, but are more friendly if you try to start the conversation in German. If you are friendly with your neighbors, they tend to be nice to you.

I do live in a multi-national area in Germany, so the people here are used to seeing foreigners. It may be different in a more traditional part of the country.

Still, I don't think you will find what you are looking for. I doubt it actually exists.

 

Does Germany have the same kind of corporate greed mentality as they do in the US? I think you're mistaken as to what I would consider the ideal situation. Sundays being closed. I like that. That shows a respect towards of humanity and for society in general (in my opinion). Not leaving the engine running while scraping the windows? Respectful of the environment is what that says to me. Of course, health care apparently doesn't seem to be the greedfest that it is here, as it's provided. What about the actual work environment? Are you treated like a throwaway item as it is here or is one treated as more of a commodity? Do CEO's routinely come in an hack the labor force for profit as they do here? Do they outsource? Where would you rather raise a child? Here or there? If the corporate stranglehold is anything close to what it is here, I would like to know that to. Please expand on those points if you wouldn't mind. Thanks for your response thus far. I appreciate it.

 

Quick answer: Sure. But that does not mean you can go there and work. One thing I learned in my retire overseas quest is that most countries have REALLY strict immigration laws, particularly as it pertains to having someone come work there. Most countries have a firm locals first policy, which will really kill off your choices. Since I do not plan to work I have more choices.

 

I'm sure they pay top dollar for fry cooks and store clerks, PLUS give you constant confirmation of how awesome you are at your job. It probably comes w/ annual oral sex from the CEO. Work days are likely 3-4 hours a day (or whatever you feel like working), but they still pay you for the full day because you're so awesome. All the corporations probably make zero profit, and instead they give it all back to the employees.

 

hahahahahaha. Don't forget that people turn the engine of their car off whenever at a red light. "constant confirmation of how awesome you are" - hahahaha

 

Norway and Finland are among the best countries to live in as a working class person. Unfortunately, they are rather difficult to immigrate to.

Australia, New Zealand, and Canada still have high qualities of life for the working class and are relatively easy to immigrate to, however.

 

Thank you for your direct answer. Quality for the working class superior to here is what I was looking for. I'm not looking to be a fat cat. Just live my life and make the world a little better than when I got here. Nothing greedy, hoggish or crapitalistic. I just want out of the corporate mindset that is eating this country alive. I want to go somewhere else and laugh.
What's difficult about Norway and Finland? What's the criteria to immigrate?

 

Norway can take about 7 years in completing the naturalization process. In the meantime, you'd basically need a source of income outside of Norway to get by. You can't really get a job there until you have citizenship.

Finland isn't as restrictive, but like its Nordic neighbors, it can still take a while. Again, you would need a sizable chunk of funds to live off of before attaining citizenship, since you need citizenship to get a job there in most cases.

 

That actually shows that they are better countries, they put their own indigenous people 1st, have enough social spending to support them, rather than catering to coprorations and bankers and giving foreign aid to Israel.

 

The OP wants to move to Venezuela, that's what he's looking for. The government there is extremely hostile to business interests and have put price controls on many commodities. So sometimes, you can't find any toilet paper to buy, but if you find some the price is low.