What Does The Book Of Revelation Really Mean?

It might have been , if it was titled . Which it was not .

 

As if that concerns me one jot .
I find it intellectually tacky to see supposed Christians go deaf and blind once real Biblical Scholarship comes on to the discussion table .
Example :
Jesus was known as , The Wicked One , by the early Christian Church headed by figures such as John the Baptist , Simon Magus ( later Pope) and Judas Iscariot ( Chief Scribe) .
His teachings only became main stream when the Romans effectively wiped out the Zealot movement culminating in the sacking of Jerusalem in AD 70 and finally the mass suicide at Masala in AD 74 .
Clearly these hard Historical facts force examination of precepts that now look very questionable -- and I phrase that very charitably .
Your Faith and Sincerity are under attack but I am sure you will not let hard facts come in the way of your rigid mind set and world view .

 

Which early Church are you referring to? I see no such thing in the Bible. I should ask which Bible are your reading? Because it can't be the Bible that we read.

 

At least you are asking a sensible question .
As you know , The New Testament does not represent contemporary history .
But there are hundreds of contemporary historical sources and from a variety of different parts of the existing Political spectrum , Jewish/Hebrew , Eastern Christianity , Hellenistic Christianity and Rome , just for a start .
You first need to establish known History for an absolute minimum of BC 10 through to AD 74 .
This will cover the life time of Jesus Christ , right up to the events at Marsala as alluded to earlier .
When you have done this , you will have a much better idea of Who lived when , Who they were , and What they are recorded as having done and said , either directly or indirectly .
Then , as a small example , also already touched on , you will see that Jesus was known as The Wicked Teacher whilst John the Baptist was The Enlightened One .
You may not change your core beliefs as a result but you will at least know what was happening , what was said , and the reasons for the words .
Scholarship .

 

The only inspired writing by God and for God’s people is the Bible......anything that contradicts it is to be thrown in the garbage. God never left it in the hands of the unconverted and disbelieving to write, preserve and deliver His message to His people. But to those Jesus taught for three and a half years and knew Him best, are the ones He used to record His life and His ministry including His death and resurrection. It would be foolish for Him to leave it in the hands of those He never taught and did not commission to go out and preach the gospel because they would write whatever they want and not what really happened.

 

Like the Dead Sea Scrolls? Should they be thrown in the garbage?

 

Doesn't the AntiChrist declare himself God in the Jewish Temple?

That should mean that there is a temple. Unless it's Muhammad's Dream thing. But I don't think that works, as he never declared himself God.

 

That someone was ingesting some serious drugs. Possibly the same drugs as those who obesessively reat the Book of Revalations. And, I'm not to sure about whomever chose to include it in the collection called the Bible.

 

Revelation simply says there is no Temple...

 

"The Temple"...

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NIV) Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion (end time apostasy) occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.


I see 'The Temple" in the last days as being the Church of Jesus Christ, who worship Him in spirit & in truth. As the body of the believer is called "the Temple of the Holy Spirit," so the temple made by human hands is replaced by the Temple' made by God...

EDIT: And so looks like the Antichrist will try to take over the Church, replacing Christ.

 

There you have it .
A Christian Fundamentalist -- blind as a bat and with no listening ears .
And not a jot different from his Muslim counter part .
Both happily invent things to suit their laziness

 

You can call me whatever you want......you can't intimidate me or make me shut up with your lying worlds. The Bible already said those who follow what Jesus taught would be hated and persecuted just as He was and they have been. The same way those who had their hands in Jesus' crucifixion who lied about the things Jesus said, even so you are following in their footsteps. Jesus never founded His Church in order for it to conform to the moral standard of the world or be instructed by it…..what would be the reason to do that if the world already got it right?

 

Ignore him as in Not Feeding the troll!" As I posted to him earlier in this thread...he is an embarrassment as a "fool in his folly."

Here is how I report his trolls on the Post Report button:

"Another one of his many troll posts. He never adds anything to the topic conversation, but just 'steps' on decently written posts with insults, and attempts to de-rail the conversation."

 

I am not a name caller . I simply call you a disgrace for not knowing the history of the times or being aware of man made redactions to the books selected for the Bible , hundreds of years after the events , by men who were political animals .
Everything Jesus learned came from scriptures passed through the Priestly dynasty from Zadok to his son , Zechariah , and then to his son , John the Baptist .As a young man Jesus was simply not able to be involved with any of this ,for , he was of the King's dynasty stretching from David .
Even the Bible agrees those two distinct lines . And as the younger cousin of John , Jesus first held allegiance to the teacher and Pope who was the Baptist .
Historical facts . No discussion .
Facts not belief .
Only later did Jesus break from his Political mentor . Jesus left John , who continued his active fight with Rome and then Jesus assumed the right to preach and to invite Gentiles into the movement .Directly against previous law .
Which , unsurprisingly , was why the traditionalists called Jon the Teacher of Righteousness and Jesus , the Wicked One .
God had nothing to do with it , whatever you choose to believe .
History , facts , tell otherwise .

 

Revelations is not the easiest book to understand but in some areas are very straight-forward.

I would say it is the future....seeing as how it notes that God will destroy this earth at the end of time as it will be replaced by a new world (heaven), which is described in amazing detail.

Soooo you don't have to believe it but why twist it?

 

Not a new earth... a new age.

 

Lovely idea . But unfortunately , nonsense .
It is simply a commentary on matters that were happening at the very time of writing .
The types of explanations that are offered about Revelations is an example of Occams Razor at work --- introducing an explanatory new concept that the evidence does not require .
It is like seriously advancing Aliens as the explanation for Crop Circles . It is not necessary logically , and Science has this happy tendency to show that explanations are the simplest of competing hypotheses when finally reached .
E=MC squared , is a nice example

 

Ok! But what you have to say does not matter to me.

 

Correct.....my last post to him will be my final to anything thing he says to me or anyone else for that matter.

 

I believe this "new age" is measured in cubits...width and height. And...it sounds like the "New Age" is cube shaped.

 

I see...you don't believe it but still want to twist it. Interesting.

 

Well, it’s not so much as a literally a new Earth it’s just that everything that is on the surface will be consumed in the intense heat. So it will seem like it’s new. But some of the symbols in Revelation can be understood if one does a little study of the Roman Empire's history and the customs of its kings.

 

Well...I'm not going to argue the details with you. The Bible doesn't say anything about intense heat in that particular chapter.

 

But it says it elsewhere.....here are three.

2 Peter 3:10 (ASV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:11-12 (ASV)
11 Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy living and godliness,
12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Malachi 4:1-2 (ASV)
1 For, behold, the day cometh, it burneth as a furnace; and all the proud, and all that work wickedness, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith Jehovah of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings; and ye shall go forth, and gambol as calves of the stall.

 

Those verses don't say the earth will still exists though. And Revelations says a new heaven and a new earth. Either way...it doesn't really matter does it? The end result is the same.