What, if anything, will Repubs do to insure or uninsure Americans?

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In one phrase: leave it to the market. Abolish the ACA without replacement.

    What will they actually do? It's hard to say. Republicans have never been known to be the most laissez-faire of folks. They could go back to their idea in 2009 of allowing insurance across state lines, or "reform" the ACA into Trumpcare.
     
  2. Junkieturtle

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    The government has been involved in health care in an exponentially more invasive and totalitarian way than a health insurance law. They actually make laws attempting to control a woman's uterus. If they can control your internal body parts, making you have health insurance is nothing. It's completely trivial compared to that.

    If you want the government out of health care, you should start with the most invasive way they get themselves involved in it.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Can you point me to the reforms and fixes that the Democrats and in particular Obama have put forth? Can you even point me to where they have even stated what needs to be fixed?
     
  4. CurrentsITguy

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    My proposal, the one I have sent to the DT Campaign, as well as my Congressman and Senators is as follows:

     
  5. PatriotNews

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    Exactly. Free healthcare is not so free to the taxpayer, but if the government is the suckers paying the bills,
    you can pick your price. Then the stupid liberals complain about a pill costing $1,000.00.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    That's progress for you. Give the people what they need, and they get used to it.

    Fair enough - if that is what the American people choose for themselves.

    As the American people support Social Security and Medicare, the superfluous corporate parasites have come to depend upon being allowed to suck a generous portion out of every health care dollar. Progress to an efficient system that advantages economy of scale and denies them their cut won't be easy, given their control of so many politicians.

    No, I never supported nationalizing RomneyCare, even if Newtie proposed it as the conservative solution and the Heritage Foundation applauded the "ultimate conservative idea" of the individual mandate. Don't underestimate the power of these bozos to make it worse.

    They have been so hellbent on sabotaging the damn, they've ignored the ensuing flood that will sweep them away.

    Eliminate the enormous tax exemptions that prop up employer-administered plans. End the financial incentives with which the State bribes the private sector to offer collective coverage. Allow the individual to enjoy the marvels of unimpaired capitalism as he seeks a plan he can afford and an insurer that will not exclude any of his family.

    Not until Americans have been allowed to experience the unrestrained free market will a single-payer universal plan that incorporates lower-risk demographics into Medicare inevitably follow.

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  7. FreshAir

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    I am interested to see if the conservatives individual mandate is going to be in the republicans plan
     
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    Do you need somebody else to take care of you? It is not up to the government to get into healthcare. People need to grow up, quit being whiny crying babies.
     
  9. TOG 6

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    As if you have presented anything other than yours.

    Fallacy: appeal to popularity

    You are responsible for you; your health care is not my responsibility.
    If you cannot afford whatever health care you need, you then suffer the consequences
    How does your ideological dogma bring you to believe you have standing to force -me- to cover -your- expenses?

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    False premise: There must be a replacement for the ACA in order to repeal it.
     
  10. TOG 6

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    What rational basis do you have for you belief the SCotUS will overturn the repeal of a law that supplies state-funded health insurance?
    How does the repeal of such a law violate the constitution?
     
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    I love how people tout the number of people on ACA bronze plans as an accomplishment of the law. Sure, you have to pay north of $50 for a doctor's visit and an additional $250 for a prescription, but once you spend $7,000 in a year you'll get help paying for all this.

    The law has some good ideas, but it's been mostly an unmitigated disaster.
     
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    Lol! So you don't know?
     
  13. TOG 6

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    Because they were forced to cover pre-existing conditions and could not tun down applicants.
    That's liberalism for you -- force people to increase their costs and then not not understand why prices go up.
     
  14. polski

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    That might be liberalism, or maybe it's common sense.
    Your opinion might be more believable if your health care corporations were losing money instead of reporting
    record breaking profits year after year after year.

    When you pay CEO's 47 million, 28 million, 19 million bucks a year, that's not capitalism, that's economically raping every working American.
    These same corporations throw tons of money at politicians, and we all can see the results of that.
    Then the politicians give these twits tax breaks & reduced regulations.

    Last time I checked, The Preamble said.....We the People, not let's all below corporations.

    I don't belong to any tribe like democrat or republican. I think you just might.
    One thing I do is maintain good records. I have my health care & script receipts from 1978 to 2016.
    It's gotten completely out of control.
    The health care insurance corporations are fleecing the American people. It's a complete joke.

    And that's my take on healthcare. Mr. Tog. Thanks for posting.
     
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    The shovels aren't free....someone is paying for them, in this instance, you the consumer pays for the shovels.

    Granted, the tax subsidies for employers and employees for health plan coverage only amounted to $46 Billion (as of 2011), but it's still a subsidy nonetheless.
     
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    Didn't they need the shovels before they could open the doors to the grave diggery?
     
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    So if you can't pay for your heart transplant or cancer treatment...you're a crybaby?

    Yea...you're a conservative
     
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    Wait...you mean premiums didn't go up prior to the ACA?

    Yea...they did. Every year. By double digits often
     
  19. Mircea

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    Sure.....they borrowed the money from banks or investors, which had to be paid back (with interest).

    Nothing is free. Everything costs.
     
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    If you think u-2 is the real unemployment number when we are still close to the largest non participatory rate since WWII you're kidding your self.

    Those who aren't wage slaves but self employed are the primary people that Harry and Nancy care screwed.

    Since most of that 20 million went on medicaid there won't be much to do and tax payers are already paying for it including the working poor.
     
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    What bank loans money to a grave digger with no bodies or shovels?
     
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    And how long will it take to get everyone of them a decent job? 1 year? 2 or 3 years? Not every employer offers medical insurance. What happens if they get sick and have no insurance?
     
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    So now the measure of success is to have every single person in the entire country employed with health insurance in less than a year?

    Hilarious.

    Whatever Trump does, it's going to be a lot better than Obama's "gig" jobs at Taco Bell and comprehensive welfare plan.
     
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    This ^^^ :thumbsup:
     
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    It's common sense to not understand why a company's costs go up and their rates follow?

    They raise the rates to cover increased costs so they do not lose money. Your statement here makes no sense.

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    This negates what I said... how?
    Oh - it doesn't.
    Thank you.
     

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