What the “Trump Phenomenon” Says About the State of Class Consciousness in America

Liberalism is merely another variation on the dissembling and self-rationalizing dominant ideology of a capitalist society, I'm no advocate of "liberalism" either. But conservatism is simply the more hardcore and heartless, backward and benighted version of a dominant ideology that's more and more evidently causing the decline and fall of American "civilization", and certainly not the shinning alternative to embrace.

 

Your quote of Freud's defining illusion I would think more correctly describes faulty logic. Appeal of the conclusion in no way validates the argument, and if that argument is baseless, that conclusion becomes merely a wish.

I would like to add that Donald's popularity has been greatly enhanced by a successful partisan campaign to malign Hillary. Only by portraying Hillary as a totally corrupt "Wicked Witch of the East" could Republicans hope to lower her to Trump's level of public distrust, and conservative propaganda "makeup artists" have certainly been working overtime to destroy Hillary's former image as Gallup Poll's 20 time winner of "The World's Most Admired Woman". This negative "spin" gives new meaning to the words "dirty politics".

"Truth does not have an agenda."

 

Societies with smaller, less overbearing central governments are more vibrant, wealthy, and free. And they have more resources to take care of the less fortunate.

 

So your plan is to double down on the idea of class, and how there are some people who are high class, while others are low class, and on the lowest untouchable class is the deplorables?

sorry, but your plan is not working. If you want all those different classes, move to India.

 

Do you think the "Wicked Witch of the East" is undeserved? In a poll of long time White House employees (cooks, maids, etc.) it was unanimous that George and Barbara Bush were the most gracious and down to earth people they met. They said Hillary was just a nasty b----.

The American people know Hillary and they don't like her. It has nothing to do with Republican propaganda and dirty politics.

 

I do believe people should be rewarded more for working harder,better etc. but rewards for wall st for example seem ridiculously out of line. maybe you agree?

 

I was going to write something to that effect.

Of course Trump isn't for the "peeple" one bit, but at least, he is a Republican. It is, sadly, kind of expected of them.

HRC's siding with AIPAC, Wall Street and all the status quo establishment is a much worse treason, as far as my left side goes.

 

Conservatives have what leftists don't have . . . commonsense. Whenever a leftist bellows that conservatives are heartless what they really mean is that conservatives have commonsense and do not legislate via emotionalism as a matter of course.

 

I am going to take this ramble to mean that no you do not believe that a person should be rewarded for producing more than the average. The primary problem with this notion is that you are taking away the incentive to produce, and as a result, production will NECESSARILY decrease. When you decrease production, the standard of living will NECESSARILY decrease. You may be able to achieve your goal of equality with such a system, but unfortunately it would result in everyone being equally POOR. I fail to see the attraction to equal poverty.

This is undoubtedly the reason that actual Socialism has never succeeded in any of its iterations.

(You can either respond to what I actually said or don't bother replying at all) Stop hiding behind socialist platitudes and actually use your own mind. I realize that your OP was cut and pasted from a Communist website, and I am giving you the opportunity to spread your wings and actually THINK for yourself. Give YOUR answer, not the words of others.

 

Nice catch on this being a cut and paste from a communist site. The communist party of usa to be exact.

http://www.cpusa.org/article/what-the-trump-phenomenon-says-about-class-consciousness/

 

As an alternative to Trump and Clinton, he is heads and shoulders above them. The third party candidate's name doesn't really matter. What does is the fact I will not lower myself to vote for either Trump or Clinton. The winner will just reign over the ruination of this country. Where in the world did our two major parties come up with these two? It's like they said to heck with America as a whole.

Johnson may not be the ideal candidate, but against these two, one doesn't have to be. I am voting against both of them, I detest both of them. I would vote for Gaylord Cumquat before I would lower myself to vote for either Trump or Clinton. I am not alone, 54% of all independents dislike both Trump and Clinton. They don't want to choose between them, what have you done to America two major parties?

 

Without a link to support your poll, YOUR OPINION is nevertheless noted. Lack of likability is not an indication of incompetence or dishonesty, anyway.

BTW, here's my link:
http://time.com/3649155/hillary-clinton-most-admired-woman/

 

Oh, Hillary has incompetence out the wazoo. Look how she handled our top secrets on the home server with a company headquartered in a bathroom closet in Colorado. And look at her daily web of lies. She's a disgusting wench. Truly repulsive, with no redeeming qualities.

Anyone who doesn't see that is equally pathetic.

 

The democrats have never made any bones about hillary being their nominee. She knew that was in the bag for 8 years. The surprise was Trump. Jeb was supposed to be the GOP nominee, but he was polling so badly that there was never a chance of that happening.

 

what difference does that make to the end result (of any vote)?

see: 'Brexit'

 

I'm a socialist, and always vote left, but I'm very aware that the past 5 years of power tripping from progressives has royally pissed off a huge number of moderates who might otherwise agree with you.

Things are SO bad now, with the rise of the Thought Police, the obsession with sexuality and gender, the extreme privilege displayed by well fed and safe white people ranting about obscenely trivial first world problems, the creeping horror of totalitarian PCism, etc etc. It's more than enough to turn some Trumpwards, and socialist progressives will have no one to blame but themselves.

 

Trump's lies outnumber hers 5 to 1. ASK FACTCHECK. (and ask Donald why he doesn't want them involved)

Saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you is pathetic is TRULY pathetic and can only be attributed to your biased partisan extremism, which was obvious from the start.

 

And assumption based on air. Sorry but the working class needs Jobs the ruling class usually government destroys them while the ever so maligned wishes to hire them please tell me exactly what is this supposed cross purpose between workers and employers ?

 

Trump!

 

Thank you for making some substantive comments. However, although I certainly agree with your point about the slanderous assassination of Mrs. Clinton's character perpetrated by conservatives, and although I of course don't buy into said slanderous distortions of her public image, I'm not at all a fan of her's. This is because I view her as merely another establishment, co-opted-by-the-ruling-class politician, i.e. another upholder of the status quo who isn't going to do anything of a genuinely radical nature improve the lot of working-class folks in our society. Despite being the ultimate glass ceiling breaker as the first female to hold this country's highest political office, she'll merely be another quite typical president, functioning to serve and preserve the corporatocracy. In other words, the prospect of another Clinton in the White House is nothing to get too thrilled about.

 

The old saying, don't ever expect any sound other than a grunt to come from a pig comes to mind. Although in your case for "grunt" we might substitute "belch". Sorry if this sounds a tad bit insulting, but your attempt to demonizingly portray a recognition of the importance of class consciousness as tantamount to advocating a caste system that locks human beings into their social positions in society is not too brilliant, shall we say. Well, such an extreme misportrayal is simply silly. And, of course, the whole point of promoting class consciousness and class struggle is the liberation and empowerment of working-class human beings to actualize a fuller existence, not the infliction of a cruelly life-limiting "untouchable" status on them, for heavens sake.

 

Really, the B-word? Using sexist language doesn't exactly enhance the credibility of your point of view.

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Do I sound like a Hillary Clinton supporter?! Reread my posts.

 

The results of conservative policies don't exactly empirically substantiate your claim that conservatives simply operate out of common sense. Well, of course most of the policies advocated by conservatives, such as the deregulation of the financial sector, are manifestly ideological, not rational. Or do you think that trusting the fox to guard the hen house is somehow common sense when the predators in question are Wall Street bankers?! No one could buy such a notion unless his/her thought patterns are determined by free-market fundamentalism, not good ole common sense. And how, pray tell, was conservative president George W. Bush's criminal and tragic decision to invade and occupy Iraq in any way, shape, or form commonsensical?

 

Hmm, so the prospect of a capitalist fundamentalist (which is what the term "libertarian" is actually a dishonest euphemism for) in the White House doesn't disturb you at all. Oh my.