What the “Trump Phenomenon” Says About the State of Class Consciousness in America

I don't agree. I maintain that the lion's share of the blame goes to the conservative movement, which for decades now has been cultivating a mentality that Trump is merely opportunistically tapping into.

 

Oh my, you're actually with a straight face denying that workers and employers have some interests that conflict. Well, when you're ready to join me in the real world we can talk.

 

Yep, just keep singing that same free-market fundamentalist tune, so that you don't ever have to hear and address the groans of the real pain of real working-class human beings living under capitalism.

 

Btw, have you-all noticed that no one has yet offered a very bright reason for voting for Trump. A bit telling, isn't it.

 

As opposed to who, Hillary Clinton? Hahahaha! That is comedy gold!

 

I think you are over analyzing - I think there is a far easier reasoning behind the Trump phenomena.

1) "All politicians lie". Nobody trusts a politician.
2) People are looking to someone who isn't a politician and complete change.

Trump isn't a politician. But he is running for POTUS, so now he IS a politician, and so he can lie.

BTW, I did enjoy reading.

 

There is a good reason to vote for Trump: Just look at who is opposing him. Between the left wing loons who shiver at the thought of losing control of the government to the establishment GOP ruling class who clutch their pearls in horror at the thought of losing their place at the government teet..... that is reason enough there.

Voting for Trump means an end to the liberal effort to "engineer" society as they see fit and an end to the globalist effort of turning the US into one big yard sale for their own benefit.

Whether Trump is authentic or not does not matter. Just supporting what he represents speaks volumes.

 

You make plenty of accusations with zero proof of your claims. Do you have anything besides your biased opinion to offer?

 

FYI, the deregulation of the financial sector that caused the 2008 financial crash happened under Bill Clinton....do you consider him a conservative?

 

Name one society that has ever existed where it was considered to not have "classes" of people.

 

So who do you support?

What do you propose as a solution, comrade?

 

I see the OP is still online and has yet to respond, a bit telling. Or perhaps he/she is busy working on another verbose thread promoting marxism.....

 

what does "often" mean ?
Define "common sense".
Are there any other variables ?
Does this also apply to "true" beliefs ?
You have failed to demonstrate the premise of your opening post, that the beliefs are "false". Your thread is therefore reduced to a false narrative.

Your entire thread is built upon your opinion, Nice use of Freud to give the aura of legitimacy, but thread FAIL none the less.

 

Trump chumps spend their whole time trying desperately to polish his latest turds.
They know he's a completely defective character and totally unfit to be potus, but they don't care.

 

It was an answer to another poster. I never supposed you were supporting Clinton - I am just stating that her treason is, IMO, potentially worse than Trump's.

 

I forgot: her true incompetence was in the Middle East where she's started several wars.

 

Neocon Hillary is the choice of these peace loving libs....oh the irony!

 

True about Hillary.

 

What disturbs me is Trump and Clinton. I would have voted for almost any other Republican against Clinton. The reverse is true also, I would have voted for almost any other Democrat against Trump. Out of the 25 or so candidates both parties ran out there for the nomination, they just happened to choose the two candidates I could never support or vote for.

If the Republicans or Democrats wanted my vote, they would have nominated someone else. They would have nominated a decent candidate, anyone else would have succeeded in that. These nominations show the two major political parties don't give a hoot about America as a whole. Rasmussen had a couple of polls out at the beginning of the year, they showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone else other than Clinton, that 61% of all Americans wanted the Republicans to nominate someone else besides Bush, like usual, both political parties told all Americans, America as a whole to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Normal for them.

 

How did the political parties nominate either of these when it is the people who do that?

 

I could understand not liking Clinton, but Trump got there the hard way.

You can always vote for Kanye West. I think he's still running.

 

Its not the people as a whole, it is a segment of the people. Republicans make up 27% of the electorate, Trump won among that 27% with 40% of the primary vote or approximately 11% of the people as a whole. On the Democratic side, they make up 31% of the electorate and Clinton won that segment with 60% of the vote. 18.6% of the people as a whole. One can say Clinton represents the people as a whole more than Trump as she received a higher percentage of the primary vote. Left out in most states were the 42% of the people who compromised independents unless there were open primaries.

So one segment of the population chose one candidate and another segment chose another candidate and the largest segment had no say. I would say up till this year, the modern primary system has worked rather well. The modern primary system has been in place since the election of 1976. But in 1976 the two parties made up approximately 70% of the electorate vs. 58% today and independents have rose from 30% to 42%. More people are leaving the two major parties as they gravitate to farther right and left, leaving more and more Americans without a political home. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle between left and right of the two major parties.

I think it is wrong to say the people chose these candidates. That is if you are using the word people to represent All of America. It was the people who belonged to a certain segment of the population as a whole, not the people as a whole. Semantics, maybe. But true. There was a time during and after WWII where 80% of all American, the total electorate identified or affiliated themselves with the two major parties. Those party affiliations held between 70-80% until 1976 when they fell below 70% and fell below 60% by 1990 and is in danger today of falling below 50% which will probably happen in ten years or so.

The truth is the two major political parties are representing less and less of all America as time goes by. Perhaps it is time to revisit the two party system, especially when at sometime in the near future the two major parties will represent less than half of all America. But it is what it is today, I have resigned myself to a President Hillary Clinton administration ever since the first of the year when it came clear the GOP was going to go with Trump. That was when Hillary clinched the Oval Office. The Republicans had a clear path to the White House with close to any other candidate. But the GOP thought making a statement was more important than winning an election in November. So shall I say, they will receive their just reward for that action. A Hillary Clinton presidency. But I won't help her, I will vote for Johnson, an anti-Clinton, anti-Trump vote.

 

Ah. You support state-enforced involuntary servitude.
Nice.

 

sos does not declare war.

 

Don't be naive. Despite Mr. Trump managing to become the GOP nominee to the displeasure of its leaders, the two mainstream political parties do a very good job of limiting their constituents to mainstream candidates, i.e. candidates who are going to pose no real threat to, who will consent to, and in fact uphold the corporatocracy. And, in fact, despite Mr. Trump being a flaky and obnoxious character whom Republican Party leaders don't care for, even Mr. Trump is quite mainstream, being a member of the capitalist ruling class who will function to protect and serve its interests if elected. It's simply that he's a narcissistic, mentally unsophisticated, unstable, clearly racist and sexist jerk that makes him seem unconventional. Don't be fooled fellow proletarians, a capitalist elite like Trump will not bring about a revolution that will benefit you.