Whistleblower 'didn’t have direct knowledge of the communications' between Trump and Ukraine

You mean like Rudy is admitting to doing??

 

Both of your quotes would most likely be true except you mis-state what has been reported by the media. They may have said the whistle blower was from the other party (other than the RNC) but they also said he was a third party with no direct knowledge of the conversation.

He also was not someone who should have been listening or a "qualified" whistleblower. That makes him most likely partisan, e.g. a democrat or a socialist and someone who had no business spying on or leaking classified information.

Trump doesn't just go after anyone on his own. He isn't clairvoyant. The Biden scandal was learned by Trump either by intelligence sources or the MSM. He doesn't just make stuff up. If he thinks Biden or Biden's son is or was on the take, it is the president's right to have them investigated. What the Dem house should be doing except they are also partisan.

 

I'm more concerned with what Plugs admitted to doing in that video.

 

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Ukraine Prosecutor says no evidence of wrong doing by Bidens..

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...utor-says-no-evidence-of-wrongdoing-by-bidens

Since you do not know who he/she is you are speculating. I am not speculating and I did not put quotes around the statement because I paraphrased what Trump said. You obviously seem to prefer to speculate even if you do not know who the guy is.

You further are trashing the whistleblower because that is what Trump fans would do.

 

Stuff like this just shows how absolutely disgusting Trump fans are. They don't give a **** about anything other than winning.

 

Why am I not surprised?

 

Getting a corrupt guy fired? Something our friends in the EU also wanted?

 

Lmao trump admits it??? Why do you constantly go out on these flimsy limbs for trump??

 

https://dosye.info/Шокин,_Виктор_Николаевич

This one is in Russian, but it’s from 2018, before this scandal became public. Use google translate.
The article credits Shokin for starting a criminal investigation against Kolomoyskiy and being the biggest contributor to Gongadze case.

Doesn’t sound like he was that corrupt after all.

 

Yes we need to find out who told this non-whistleblower the contents of a classified information between the President and a foreign leader and that person needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Since the DNI OLC ruled this is NOT a whistleblower case by statute then the person should have no legal protection from not answering the questions of federal investigator and could be subject to obstruction of justice for refuse to answer. This needs to go the grand jury.

 

So you admit the whistleblower claims are accurate?

 

First it's hearsay and if a person did disclose the contents of a classified conversation between the President and a foreign leader to this person that is espionage. Don't you think the person should be prosecuted?

 

All the information needs to go to the Congressional Oversight committees it's supposed to go to. Everything on our end is just speculation. EVERYTHING.

 

I have no idea what who it was or what they were told, I know it is hearsay and if the contents of a classified conversation was given to this person then that could be a violation of the espionage act. Are you admitting it wasn't accurate and therefore no violation of the espionage act?

 

I believe it wasn’t the DNI OLC but OLC from the doj, who had no role in this except to act as trumps errand boys

 

They have no business with it, this is a possible criminal matter of classified information, an intelligence breach and possible espionage. It does not meet the statutory requirement for the whistleblower statutue.

 

Of course not.... they followed the legal whistleblower rules.... If they had originally gone to the media, depending on what they had, you might have HAD a case....

But now, the media or directly to Congress might be the only 2 outlets, and there isn't a court in the civilized world** that would prosecute after his original complaint was hidden away.

** Does not include the William Barr DOJ

 

No as it was the DNI OLC, although ultimately to the DOJ but that hardly matters, it does not meet the statutory requirements for whistleblower status. The issue here is who leaked if whatever they leaked was true. Even the Trump administration in conversations requesting the judicial authorities of Ukraine cooperate in a corruption investigation for which there is probable cause would be a violation of the espionage act those discussions are classified and protected. Your attempts to without basis attack the DOJ OLC as if the would be more partisan than the Democrats in the House..............

 

The whistleblower did not personal and directly hear ANYTHING the President said. Someone told them. Those conversations are CLASSIFIED, it is against to espionage act to disclose them to unauthorized persons. Whoever did so should be prosecuted. This does not come under the whistleblower statute.

We can't allow rouge partisan members of the intelligence community attempting to or claiming to be disclosing the classified, confidential, privileged conversations between our President and other high level officials be disclosed without proper authority and release. NO foreign leader would ever be able to discuss serious political issues including corruption between government officials, or economic trade deals, or military and national security matters of each state for fear such candidate discussions would be disclosed. It is the way our government and our foreign policy has operated.

There is probable cause than corruption occurred between Biden, his son and certain parties in the Ukraine. Biden running for President does not put him above the law, you know how you guys are always talking about being above the law. Biden HIMSELF ramped that back up with his recent braggadocious statements about how he interfered in to the domestic affairs of another country and then we see how his son profited.

The best thing we could do is to turn it over to a SC to investigate what occurred and we need to cooperation of the Ukraine officials in that matter as the Trump administration has requested.

 

I’m saying you can’t have it both ways. You can’t deny it’s true and say he’s a leaker. You guys tried that with Comey as well.

 

Your first question was somewhat valid....

But Now?



EDIT - I find your and the DOJ's weak sauce attempts to determine what and who whistleblowers can report on are beyond pathetic... It's exclusively the JOB of the ICIG to determine what each whistleblower has is credible and urgent and from there it's up to the Intel committees..

 

Sounds we need the transcripts to know if this was true. Something I’m sure you’re against as you’re against any transparency from this WH.

 

Now thats Rich, who would have guessed . Or as President Trump would say. ... "FAKE NEWS".

 

^^^Sounds eerily similar to Trump defenders on Trump firing Comey.

"Since Shokin was not investigating Biden had nothing to stop."

Now let's replace shokin with Comey and Biden with Trump

"Since Comey was not investigating Trump had nothing to stop"

I'm sure since your cool with Bidens deal you were fine with Trump firing Comey

 

Also shows how much corruption Democrats will overlook on the get Trump at all costs path