Who are the liberals on Fox News ?

Amazing how that many were killed after the Vietnamese "were done".

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Previously posted in #28:

Despite its heavy casualty toll, and its failure to inspire widespread rebellion among the South Vietnamese, the Tet Offensive proved to be a strategic success for the DRV. Before Tet, Westmoreland and other representatives of the Johnson administration had been claiming that the end of the war was in sight; now, it was clear a long struggle still lay ahead.
http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/tet-offensive

The scope of the offensive stunned the White House, the media, and the American people. Adding to the impact of the surprise attacks was the fact that they followed in the wake of repeated reassurances from both the military and the Johnson administration that progress was being made in the war and that the end was in sight.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...d-awe-of-tet-offensive-shattered-us-illusions

Yet the Tet Offensive was a major blow to US military pride. In late 1967 the US had been told by General Westmoreland that the NLF had taken such heavy losses in open combat that they would be incapable of maintaining any military momentum in 1968.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam-war/the-tet-offensive/

 

A general who was speaking for the administration. Political involvement in the military was one of the worst parts of that war
The truth is in your link

 

I thought he was the head of the military. No matter.

No one doubted that American force drove back the Tet Offensive.

But the eye opener was that after this huge escalation of the war and the administration and military leaders telling us that the enemy was basically defeated, they were able to pull off that major offensive.

And continue killing American boys over the next four years by the tens of thousands.

 

They said that because the politicians told them to. None of us believed their BS. I actually got in trouble for protesting the war in the end not because it was unwinnable but because we didn't like having to fight with our hands tied behind our backs. Too many damn rules of engagement .

Man are we getting off topic

 

The thread topic is Fox News liberals and the MSM.

The Tet Offense only comes into play with Walter Cronkite who for most of his career was able to report the "who, what, when, why and where" without allowing his liberal political bias to show until February of 1968. On that night with most Americans glued to the television Walter Croinkite went from being a news anchor reporting the news to commenting on the news and he got it wrong that night.

 

My post Foolardi responded to had nothing to do with Fox News liberals as we were discussing the Tet Offensive.

I'm not sure what your think Cronkite got wrong. If he said it looked like a stalemate and was unwinnable he was completely right, as the next four years would show.

 

They weren't driven back, they were killed and destroyed. In one month 48,000 VC and NVA soldiers were killed in combat.

In the battle for Hue an entire NVA division was eliminated no longer part of the NVA "Order of Battle."

Just not the biggest military defeats for North Vietnam's history but in history but it's how it was reported.

Gen. Giap got it wrong and he admitted it after the war.

Walter Cronkite got it wrong and the left don't want to admit it.

In Hanoi today at the war museum an entire wall is dedicated to the counter culture movement in America along with Jane Fonda and John Kerry's photos proudly being displayed in gratitude of their support of helping North Vietnam to win the war two years after all American combat troops have left the RVN.

 

It's not the job of real journalist to opine, that's for commentaries like Bill O'Reilly, Fox and Friend, The Five or Shawn Hannity to opine not journalist.

That has been one of the problems with the kool-aid drinkers on the left, they have a big problem distinguishing from a news program from a commentary program on the Fox News Channel. I have no problems distinguishing a news program from a commentary program but I out grew drinking the kool-aid many decades ago.

 

57,000 dead American boys was enough.

 

It was far more than enough. These days however the loss of a few thousand brings us to our knees. War is simply to ugly with our 24/7 news these days to maintain support over any sustained period.

Let me add I opposed the Iraq war as I knew it would destabilize the region. If you are not willing to use everything in your power to win then don't send us into harms way. This has not been the case since we last declared real war in WW2

 

Lessons learned, listen to your elders.

Lets get something straight, we should have never got involved with the corrupt Diem regime in the RVN.

But JFK thinking he was smarter and brighter than his elders ignored former President Esienhower's warnings and signed off on regime change in South Vietnam. When JFK signed off on the CIA backed military coups that back fired ending in murder of President Diem, from that day our NATO members watched, what will America do now, cut and run ?

From that day on America owned South Vietnam, it became America's problem. Three weeks later JFK would meet the same fate that Diem did.

The United States had three times to win and end the Vietnam War.

#1. The war could have ended in 1966 if LBJ hadn't micromanaged the air war over North Vietnam from 10,000 miles away and hadn't put extreme restriction on Air Force and Navy pilots who were conducting those bombing missions over North Vietnam.

#2. The defeat of the VC and NVA during the Tet Offense in 1968. But with help from the SDS, counter culture movement (New Left) in America and Walter Cronkite reporting the story wrong, the war in Vietnam was allowed to move from the battlefields in Southeast Asia on to the streets and living rooms of America.

#3. The war could have again been over by the end of 1969 but ...
Richard Nixon said the biggest mistake of his Presidency was not Watergate but

 

I heard that conservative fantasy in the 1960s and for years. The Vietnamese weren't going to leave. We were never going to "win". The only way to "win" was committing genocide. It's not the kind of people we are. Most of us at least.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.