Who Is To Blame For The Charlottesville Riot?

No, it's not worse.

The Constitution includes the founding principles of this country, and an assault on those principles is an assault on the Constitution.

White nationalist groups have the same rights to assemble and speak as any other American without being physically attacked.

What you are doing is turning a blind eye to the violence because you don't like the message of those being attacked.

You see, it is possible to both not accept the message being delivered on one side, and condemn the violence being perpetrated against them.

I denounce both of them, but I would defend the right of the white nationalists not to be physically attacked in the same way I would defend those who might be attacked by white nationalists.

What you're espousing isn't a "value", it's taking a side against the Constitution.

 

None of the two points that you posted calls for violence nor overreaction. The problem here is that the level of maturity from those on the Left has lowered the bar of interaction and response to that which is deemed to be offensive.

It is like I told a young college student in NYC when she approached me about stopping the Ku Klux Klan from having a rally at Union Square park. I told her that sooner or later someone that she likes to listen to and attend a rally sponsored by them will be banned from holding such a rally because what they say offends someone else. The criterion used is specious at best and methodical at worst in an attempt to shield people from offense. Sooner or later, the tools that are used against others will ultimately be used against you and those whom you support. I have been called ******, porch-monkey, coon, etc. during my life I have been, and will more than likely, be called the same if not worse in the future. Guess what? I am mature enough to not allow such language to offend me to the point that I want it banned from use. Why, you may ask? Because freedom of speech is too important to allow offense or hurt feelings to under mind said freedom. The freedom to use whatever language that is deemed necessary to make a point is one of the cornerstones of freedom. I am by no means excusing the behavior, I just know that I too say many things that are offensive to others and will support my freedom of speech and the freedom of speech for others to the point that I can, as my mother used to say, "Brush my shoulders off and keep on moving." Barring making physical threats against a person or property, tolerance MUST be used when dealing with others of differing views and opinions. It is time to behave as mature adults if you want to be treated as a mature adult.

 

Why are you denouncing their ideals when you yourself are a fascist and have a lot in common with Nazis? I'm defending every American's right to free speech. I don't care what you say, as long as it's non-violent or threatening, say what you want.

You're in favor of limiting that freedom which aligns you with Nazis.

 

I hate to break it to you but all speech isn't free. We can play around with the threats..I'm sure those Jews felt threatened in the synagogue. Im Sure that girl who was killed felt threatened. Again, I think the violence from antifa was wrong! But their cause was just

• Obscenity
• Fighting words
• Defamation (including libel and slander)
• Child pornography
• Perjury
• Blackmail
• Incitement to imminent lawless action
• True threats
• Solicitations to commit crimes

 

My assessment of Renee is that she is anti-freedom and holds dictatorial tendencies.

 

All of the things that you have enumerated, The Left, including Antifa, are guilty of.

 

But all free speech is.
Neo-Nazis have exactly the same right to hold "I hate Jews" signs as you have to hold "I hate Nazis" signs.
How does reminding people that Neo-Nazis have the same right to free speech as everyone else "defend" them?

 

You learn more about a person by the side of the argument he defends. Yes, they

they are? Hope you're joking

 

Not true, I didn't vote for trump

 

I agree with you..they have every right to demonstrate....but there is a line between inciting and threatening. Remember the ACLU fought for the right of nazis to march in Skokie , a largely Jewish community
And I will repeat again I think the action of antifa was wrong and counterproductive..but I just have stronger feelings against people who are fighting to make American white and. Christian. We just have different values. ..

 

Typical and expected canard. Tell me, where has and when has being for personal responsibility, personal growth development, freedom of thinking that frees a person from dependency, become wrong and evil? I am serious about the question that I have presented. How is feigning pseudo-offense over statues, ever been the legitimate reasoning and use of violence of an issue? For too long, the game has been played by crooked and corrupt persons over rights, freedom, development and cultural development with and on Black people that revolve around so-called Civil Rights. I am surprised the NAACP has not played their age-old trick about President Trump or any other POTUS who is not a Democrat, supposedly removing and repealing Civil Rights from the 1960s. So I ask you, what is your interest in revisiting old wounds? If you continue to pick at a wound, it will develop gangrene and more lost with occur as a result. So I ask again, what is your personal interest in promoting violence and disorderly protests over statues that have been in existence for decades, if not one century? I seriously want a response, wherein you legitimately justify your indignation. As can be seen, I am tired of the madness of “feigned concern about the rights of Black people, when in all reality, it is just another ploy to reaffirm the Communist and Marxist clap-trap that has been used to cripple Black people’ development. Do you want to know who else had the same idea? J. Edgar Hoover and others produced and implemented CoIntelPro for this end. Entertainment as the only means and outlet for Black people, and take a look around to see how well it works. Is this what you other Leftists are up to as well?

 

And you gave the expected response ..and I. Sure you believe you don't have a bigoted bone in your body and think racism and sexism are in the past.

 

'But their cause was just' , really?? sorry, they are nothing more than a goon squad for the left ,thugs in masks that take to the streets to riot and beat people up that don't toe their ideas of pure thought and ideology ,then justify it as 'social action' and 'standing up to nazis' etc etc. How noble of them.Truth is,they are no different from Hitler's brown shirts and Mussolini's black shirts or even Mao's red guard , thugs and punks, and I suspect their ideology is much the same.I can't wait for the panic of the Democrats and liberals when they realize their pet pitbull is off the chain and can turn on them.

 

There is something funny about what you wrote....the people marching against the neo nazis are Brownshirts...lol
Well you keep defending the white supremacists, I'll defend those fighting against them. We just have different values.

 

Yet you're united in your support for violence. Closer to each other than you think.

 

This is what is so frustrating...many more times do I have to tell you I opposed the violence. It is counterproductive but yet you will keep saying I support the violence.did you support th car killing the girl?
What you're doing is tacityly defending white supremacists. You're focusing on the messengers but not the message

 

Why do you defend people who use violence to suppress free speech, but then criticize people who defend the right to free speech?

 

No one on this board or any other discussion board of this website has ever read me posting that I do not have disdain for certain characteristics exhibited in people, in general, and Liberals in particular. You have admitted that you are bigoted in your reply to me, in a roundabout manner. Like many Liberal/Progressives that I have unfortunately come onto contact in my sojourn through life, you seem to not be able to contain your bigotry towards others of differing opinions. As to racism, it still exists in both political arenas of "American" life; I just do not give it much attention because I have too much to focus on in life. Being liked or disliked is a natural part of existence. My focus in life is not to be liked nor disliked; being that I exist in reality, such is inevitable so why worry about it? As to sexism, much of sexism is false and is only given ear for the purpose of mentally beating males and Men into submission. In other words, so-called sexism is an attack on traditionalism. As a result, morality, standards, and discipline have all taken a back seat to political pandering of this type. Much of this can also be attributed to pandering to people who cry racism as well.


big·ot·ed

ˈbiɡədəd/

adjective

1. having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

This very word describes the political and intellectual of many of those of Left-leaning ideologues. When a Black person is not of the Leftist/Liberal mentality, said Black person is treated as a pariah; this is true, and just about everyone who keeps track of these things, knows it as well.


As to me not being bigoted, I will honestly say that I strive not to be in my dealings with others. Are there times when I come across as brash in my response to others? Of course, but it is not my intention to be brash towards others, unless said person has earned a brash ad hostile response.

 

Renee,
The point that seems to be escaping you is: THE KU KLUX KLAN, NEO-NAZIS, and OTHERS have a right to hate whomsoever they please. This seems to escape too many people in this Politically Correct media driven society. There is nothing politically correct about forcing others, to not state their opinion(s) of other people, publicly displayed behaviors that offend other people's sensibilities, political observations, etc. In like, people have a natural inclination towards certain people, places, ideologies, etc. To establish society invalidating other people's points of view will only engender hostility that will eventually transform into hatred and those guilty of establishing said protocol, only have themselves to blame.

 

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How are you opposed? What you SHOULD be advocating is for peaceful protests for all Americans. Instead you're sitting here judging the people protesting thinking some are more deserving than others.

You're a fascist.

 

funny? I call Antifa thugs and brownshirts and you accuse me of supporting white supremacists? really? kind of defective thinking or is just an example of gruppenthink ?

 

So you are defending violence, despite your claims.

 

Yes, you aren't a bigot, but we women are trying "to mentally beat men into submission " I bet you don't even realize how prejudicial that is. Or maybe just an insecurity.
I must have missed where I admitted I'm a bigot....please show me rather than your seeing into things I didn't say. You certainly fit the description of a bigot, the same way you think I do.
you used the "everyone knows" technique which is bullying. No "everyone " doesnt think that blacks who are not liberals are pariahs .

 

You're right...the Jews said that in 1939 also. Who said they're not allowed to voice their views? The ACLU supports their right to demonstrate...But you want to support the supremacists and I will Continue to hate the bigots. We just have different values