Who Is To Blame For The Charlottesville Riot?

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Who's to blame for the Charlottesville riot?

  1. Antifa

  2. White Nationaists (Supremacists)

  3. Governor

  4. Other ( please explain )

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  1. AlifQadr

    AlifQadr Well-Known Member

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    Come now, come now. You know as I do and honest men know, our battle is for control. This is what most of your whining and complaining is all about. Most of you females are neither abused nor mistreated, so what is your problem? You problem stems from lack of control, and what best way to gain control than through governmental policy? It is the natural order for the man to secure, guard, defend, and lead his family. Being that we are currently under government that has long violated its constitutional limitations and has sought more and more control, the avenue that it takes is through the farce of social justice, which is nothing more than the obliteration of core values and standards that have kept societies afloat since there has been Man and Woman and male and female. Societies are ALL controlled by Men and mankind; let this sink in your mind. This is what you Leftist females hate and have contributed nothing but chaos to facilitate your shared control and you will not be satisfied until society is completely destroyed. In reality, there is no such thing as sharing power, Women cannot survive without Men and this angers you modern females who do nothing but destroy. As uncontrollable as you modern females are, who are unbridled, like an unbridled horse, will run amuck damaging and destroying, you cannot change what has already been set before you were born. Even in the context of society today, it is still controlled by males who run the show, though you want to pretend that it is not and there is nothing that can be done about the situation, without the aid of other Men. The reliance of Women and females on Men and males is undeniable, regardless to what those on the political Left contend. As far as your insane bullying comment, I am not stating anything that is not already well-known and I will not back away from what I have stated. I guess you must have thought that I would be pleading and changing what I have stated, but that will never happen. For too long, using the bully pulpit has caused others to shrink, but it only emboldens me, your Social Justice Tactics will never work on me. Every one of you Liberals detest that fact that a Black man who does not think in your political terms (boxes), being that this is the only manner in which you can relate to people who are not in your "knitting circles", are pariahs and this is well known. To think of a Black person as a person, seems to escape many.
     
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  2. AlifQadr

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    You hate yourself then. I will support the right of anyone to express their grievances UNEQUIVOCALLY. People can support and say what they please without my interference. As far as I am concerned, the ACLU hold absolutely no validity. They are also a part of the problem in this country, always poking their "nose" into affairs and appointing themselves as opinion-makers.
     
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  3. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    You win...I will not dignify misogyny with a comment
     
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    The ones to blame?

    1. The Charlottesville City Council which could have delayed this minor transfer of an unknown statue until winter when no one would have showed up to protest either way.
    2. The internet hotheads who incited mobs to rumble over a minor statue in the minor town being moved a minor distance..
    3. The bubbas who for some reason identify with long-dead movements and who excite easily.
    4. The leftist hotheads who also excite easily
    5. The ACLU which objected to the city council's moving the protest to another location away from this statue
    6. The local judge which agreed with the ACLU and ruled the protest could take place around the statue where to opposition was staging its own protest.
    7 The small town Charlottesville police which botched keeping law and order and failed to keep the opposing sides apart.
    8. The mass hysteria (I mean media) which blew this out of proportion.
    9. People who think minor things like this are a guiding light in American culture.

    Have I left anyone out?
     
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    osbornterry Well-Known Member

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    I see another huge drop off in Trump rhetoric. I will bet it's because cable news is devoting itself to Hurricane Irma in Florida leaving no fodder for the devotees of Trump hate and bait to swallow.

    Heaven forbid they should try to think of something to write on their own.
     
  6. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Once again the focus is on the messengers but not the insidious message. I think marching neo nazis and seeing about a thousand white supremacist groups are sprouting up should be in the news .....survivors of the holocaust always remind us of how it started ....like this
     
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    Once again, your attempt at deflection is obvious. The White Supremacists did not attack the Antifa Radicals, the Antifa Radicals levied an unprovoked attack against the White Supremacists and other people who were at the protest where injured, and a woman was murdered in subsequent melee. You can continually refer to Nazi Germany, so-called Holocaust victims, rhetorical speaking and the like until you are blue in the face, but the ultimate reality remains; Antifa with their radical motives decided to attack the protest with physical violence. By the way, Nazi Germany, Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Hitler and the entire Sturm Soldat outfit, does not justify what Antifa did, so please stop using it as an excuse. Such emotionally charged references show that the opposition has no justified reasoning to support their position. Such an injection of emotionalism to appeal to base-line emotions can be labeled as dishonesty at best and outright wickedness at worst. To have to resort to such immaturity reduces your argument. The justification that is used by those of the Radical Left is failed attempt to legitimize the violence against others, is not only hypocritical but disingenuous as well. If it were me, I would have done worse than what the White Supremacists did to Antifa. As I stated weeks ago, ‘it takes two to Tango’. The fact of Antifa using violence at just about every protest they orchestrate, is reason enough for me to continually state that Antifa is to blame for ALL of the violence the ensued at the protest. Only cowardly people use “turn the other cheek” when in the face of certain violence and possible death. Do not for one minute think that if it were the White Nationalist, Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, etc. who were the initiators of the violence, that I would take their side. The focus here with me, has to do with the causative factors of the event.
     
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  8. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love your avatar! George Soros is greatly responsible....but I will add "all dogs matter" especially blue merle and red leopards!
     
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    oh please...the threat from neo nazis and white supremacists is minimal..(.the violent groups of the left are much larger in numbers and zeal)..their numbers and impact are pitiful ..thus far..keep on with what you and your kind are doing and they will grow and multiply..if they want to have a torchlight parade and sing deutchland uber alles ..LET THEM ...and if no one shows up they will be humbled and ridiculed and go home but NOOOOOO the self righteous and violent SJWs have to show up ,make a scene and reinforce the nut jobs paranoid world view..real smart..how many are thinking they are right after watching the Antifa thugs,communists and BLM in action? I'll wager they have more sympathizers now...do you really think Dylan Roof was motivated by a confederate flag or by watching Ferguson burn?...keep it up you are just pouring gasoline on their fire,all your kind do is regurgitate historical comparisons ,that not only do not apply, reveal a despicable lack of comprehension of the real horror of that time in history, it is shameful and insulting for you to use the deaths of millions in your fascist/marxist crusade..because that is what this is a marxist movement at it's core, a coalition of groups with similar agendas glossed over with social justice,
     
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  10. MississippiMud

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    Love the blue merle Border Collies. Red Catahoula's are beautiful as well.

    Yes they all matter. I spend 1 day a week at a local shelter working with rescued dogs with behavior issues. You may already know this but there actually is a "Black Dog Syndrome", they are adopted at lower rates than other colors. I currently have a black Lab/Pitbull mix - Dozer - and a (mostly) black Lab/Border Collie mix - Dixie - She is a handful.

    Soros is a handful as well. He will exploit anyone to serve his agenda.
     
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    I wasn't there, so I don't know for certain. But judging by the past eight years of violence from the left, and the usual relative calm from white racists, separatists and so forth. And considering the fact that they were there to march in protest, legally and orderly. It stands to reason that the violence was most likely started by Antifa and BLM.
    I'd like to know who these people are. How can they afford to run around the country causing problems. Are they Americans? They don't act like it. They act like ISIS or communists or some type of foreign enemy to our peace and way of life.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like you have a beautiful dog.
     
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    Well it's too bad that they didnt have an equivalent to antifa..because people said the same things you are,.,blaming those who fight against evil while defending evil people. But you were almost comical because you do not hear what others say. I have said repeatedly over and over that the violence is counterproductive. But yet you will keep on saying how we defend the violence. And to blame the murder of the woman on the antifa shows your leanings. You keep defending the white nationalists and all the hundreds of hate groups and I will defend those who abhor those evil people.
     
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    I have to say having a white dog has advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is I can see him at night outside. I live on a golf course and he can run at dusk and I always see him. The disadvantage is I can't find them in the snow and he sheds and I usually wear dark clothes.....he's a rescue and the absolutely perfect dog.
     
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    Yes, the kkk etc are all calm...fine folks ! let me guess, you arent black or Jewish
     
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    Had a dalmatian as well as a dalmatian mix. Good dogs but anytime the shook their bodies in the sunlight, you would see the hair in the air. You wouldn't think short hair would do that. I agree, just like people they all have disadvantages and advantages, but, they all bleed red!
     
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    Hey!!! This could become a dog thread!! We ought to start one!
     
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    Have always wanted a couple of Great Pyrenees. I have fostered a few and they have been so hard to give up. The white however does not work well when the one side of my yard turns to mud when it rains. Yeah finding my two in the dark is interesting sometimes.
     
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    A glow in the dark collar always helps. That way I can see them when they chase the glow in the dark frisbees..
     
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    Actually, I am part Jewish. But that's beside the point. The topic asks us, who do we think is responsible for the charlottesville riot. Not what we think about racists.
     
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    You are lucky, you can separate the two and blame those who fight against bigotry. Yes you don't blame the Jews in the synagogue for going out the back when heil Hitler salute with guns.
    If someone is cursing at your mother and waving a fist, I wouldn't blame you if you hit him...even though it was wrong of you to hit him..I think what is happening is you are being very logical but not psychological.
    You focus on the messengers and I focus on the message. We just have different values
     
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    What exactly is the message these days? Where does "the message" come from?

    Focus on only the message these days is dangerous. The message is so convoluted and polluted. Seems more and more the message/news is generated on social media which is 90% opinion based on emotion rather than fact. Emotion sells, emotion draws attention, attention turns into ratings, Ratings generate revenue. What we are doing is monetizing racism. Racism has been watered down to where a few misplaced words can end up having you labeled a racist. What this does is diminish those who are victims of racial acts. Cry wolf too many times and folks stop listening.

    YES, i am being logical. Emotion does not solve problems. Most times it will only make them worse.
     
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    What you are promoting is unconstitutional, because ones beliefs are protected; premature, because it doesn't allow for debate or the graceful change of belief; and illegal, because violence is against the law. You can't take the law into your own hands, especially when there has been no crime. I am also puzzled that you seem to ascribe higher values and virtues to the motivations of Antifa and BLM. They are no more than a mix of violent thugs, anarchists, and communists who are at war with the USA and have attacked everyone, both good and bad, who isn't like them. The KKK and Nazi's are manageable and neutered as far as power and influence goes. Why you'd get so worked up now over their diminished presence when they've been here forever doesn't make any sense unless you aren't an American. Are you an American?
     
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    That is exactly what they said in Germany when the hate groups started to rise. They didn't believe anything could,happen. I suggest you listen to recorded messages of survivors who warn us...first the rhetoric......
    Your are correct emotion draws attention etc....then there are those who don't let their emotions see what is happening. There are over 900 hate groups that want Jews and blacks to disappear. The ones who always complain about the word "racist" are usually racists. Racists are those people who marched with pride wearing Nazi gear, and racists are those who defend them . Those who say "crying wolf" are the wolves most times. We will stop yelling racist....when people stop being racist!
     
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    You're right...I do ascribe higher virtue to people who oppose bigotry than to people who want Jews and blacks to be gone. Yes, the brown shirts were manageable also once. We just have different values. You might also learn that over 900 hate groups is not just a few neutered and manageable groups. And yes they've always been there, but they believe they are now sanctioned.....And if there wasn't such a huge reaction to them, they would have continued their marches of intimidation....instead there were thousands and thousands of people who intimidated them and most were not violent
     

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