Who is to blame?

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  1. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe Well-Known Member

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    If it were my kid, she would have been participating in home invasion drills throughout her life. There would be no question at all in her mind about what happens to people who break into this house.
    Apparently, this daddy had the same ideas, but never shared them with his family. Or maybe he did, and she was just too rebellious. There's too much we can't know from this story.
     
  2. EggKiller

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    Seriously? that's what you've learned in life? Seriously? Holy crap we really are doomed.
     
  3. Gatewood

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    Yes, I've also been in a life or death situation more than once in my life -- and hope never to be in one again. When push comes to shove you do what you have to do to survive. I hope never to be in that situation again; but if it happens then I will once again choose to live . . . and p*ss on the 'bend over and grasp ankles' liberals who ALWAYS cheer for and promote the interests of the bad guys. What in the bloody hell is wrong with their brains?
     
  4. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you can tell which people are "good" or "bad" based on. . .whether or not they come to your home uninvited?

    Well, we seem to know exactly where we both stand. I am sorry you had to suffer through Vietnam. . .that was such a waste of good men. And I can understand how the trauma of this kind of violence can affect someone for life.

    I wish you well.
     
  5. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great! You mean that you want your children to live in constant fear and learn to be suspicious of everyone and everything?
    What a great gift!

    I am so glad this is not the way I raised my kids. . .And guess what, even my son the Marine doesn't see the world in such a negative, suspicious light!
     
  6. Regular Joe

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    You can say and do and be whatever you want. With emergency measures being taken to extend unemployment benefits for 1.3 million Americans, I daresay that we live in desperate times. It's not about living in fear. It's about living in preparation. Do you think the US has the strongest military in history because we "fear" anyone? Rather, it's because we are intimately aware of human nature, and prepared to deal with it.
    I just heard the little girls from next door running past my place. I know their parents are not armed. Not if, but when we have loonies on the loose around here, as we have in the past, my guns will cover them as well as the rest of my near neighbors, as they have in the past.
    "Who is to blame" are all of those, in this thread and in this world who have not thought long and hard about what their guns are for, and how and when to use them.
     
  7. lizarddust

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    Either you don't have an eye for detail or you don't know what goes on in countries other than the US (possibly both). A little travel to developing countries may help here.

    As the investigating policeman told us and I'll quote - "You are foreigners, if you didn't come to this country, this wouldn't have happened". Funny how some things stick in your head.

    You asked if anyone has ever snuck into my house.

    I've never felt the need to own a gun. So owning a gun makes you a better person than I?
     
  8. Professor Peabody

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    Not luck just statistics. I drove an Armored truck delivering money everyday for 20 years and only had someone try to kill me twice. Most folks go through their entire lived without being attacked. The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents per year. In the U.S. that means for 1.4 million people are victims of violent crimes every year. I pray that you or any of your family never, ever become one of the 1.4 million violent crime victims. I do support your choice on how to deal with it if it does. With that being said, anyone who has never had some animal on 2 legs try to take their life in earnest simply can't understand the gravity of fighting for one's life with someone determined to end it.
     
  9. Hummingbird

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    You're right. I agree.......and I take back what I had said about my tv. Must have lost my head there b/c no, he would not walk out w/it or anything else as long as I was armed......
     
  10. Sadanie

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    I do not base my life on a "worst possible case scenario!" If I did, and based on REAL statistics, I probably would stop driving a car rather than plan to kill an attacker. . .as there is a LOT more chance that I would die or be seriously injured in a car accident within 10 miles of my home than to EVER be killed by an attacker!

     
  11. Professor Peabody

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    Neither did the 1.4 million attacked every year. Nor should you, but one must be prepared if it occurs.
     
  12. Hummingbird

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    Interesting. So you're saying if someone made the mistake of forgetting to lock their patio door and a stranger slipped in in the middle of the night, then that's home invasion since they didn't use forced entry, so not burglary - gotta remember the difference there altho they're ransacking thru your stuff, deciding what to keep for themselves.... after you concluded what terminology to use - home invasion or burglary b/c the thief wouldn't tell you how he got in, you then have to figure out if he's armed or not, but you can't see a gun or knife on him and he's not saying, so you conclude he's not armed, so then you try to intimidate and surprise him to get him out of your house..........

    Do i have that right?

    Alwayssa, It's very obvious you have never had a home invasion or burglary happen to you.... especially in the middle of the night.
     
  13. awesome bossum

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    When did I communicate any a false statement?
     
  14. Gatewood

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    Ahem! Let's tight focus on the following excerpt for an honest analysis:

    "That being said, if you are coming upon an intruder . . . then you need to look at whether they are armed or not . . . If they are not armed, you can control the situation through intimidation and surprise."

    That's the advice to give a frightened out of her gourde woman living alone or an elderly gent barely able to get around? Hmmmm . . . let me reply to that in the following manner . . . bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Detailed and honest analysis concluded. Thank you for your patience.
     
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    Are you on any meds for depression? Anxiety? Sadness? Restless leg syndrome?

    So your a marriage counselor and a Trauma/PTSD specialist?
     
  16. Leo2

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    You wrote -
    In which you clearly implied that I posted the OP in order to make political gain/and or aggrandise myself. Your words could be construed in no other way.

    Now if that is not what you meant, I am happy to accept your retraction, but if you stand by that statement then you have defamed me by publishing an unproven (and thus false until proven otherwise) allegation. That defamation became libel when you published it.
     
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    I'm entitled to my opinion and if that's true then tell me... am I wrong?

    Btw, I'm not the one running around threatening to sue people because I didn't like what they said...
     
  18. Hummingbird

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    And I continue to say if a person values their OWN life so damn much, they wouldn't risk losing it by breaking into someone's home to rob them .... you don't know the value of the items I mentioned, which I said goes to my kids - not some thieving low-life cockroach.....

    You place so much importance on a thief's life, w/no tho't or concern that during their criminal lifestyle, many of them end up killing an innocent homeowner or family member or more than one..... one of the worst was what happened to that Connecticut doctor, Dr. Wm Pettit, who was beaten bloody and left totally helpless while the intruders raped and murdered his wife and 2 daughters.... riiiight, Sadamie! Don't hurt the thieves b/c their lives are so damn PRICELESS!.... so what if they will RAPE & KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE!

    Yes, I know - your argument will be "but not all of them will kill someone. They just need some electronics and nice stuff to sell and feed their kids or to buy drugs or ...."

    About 2-3 yrs ago on New Yrs Eve, 2 intruders were breaking into the home of an 18 yr old widow, left w/a 4-5 month old baby in Oklahoma. She barricaded the front door w/her couch, but one of them managed to push the door open and stepped into the room holding a 12" hunting knife.... she was on the phone w/911, holding the phone in one hand and a shotgun in the other. The cockroach who managed to get in her home was blown to hell. The other intruder trying to break in thru a window heard the shot and ran like a coward. He was caught. I like OK's law.... if someone is part of the commission of a crime and their cohort is killed, they have murder charges filed against them. Sounds fair, doncha think?

    Thank God that young mother had a shotgun in her house..... doubt it very much that she'd be here to talk about her horrifying experience since one of them brought a 12" hunting knife w/him.... but I'm sure you'll disagree w/me about that also.
     
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    In the world I grew up in, a guy who breaks into other people's homes and steals their property, some leaving injured, raped and/or dead victims behind isn't a "man"........
     
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    "But she isn't dead!" Oh wow.... the empathy and compassion you have for a severely beaten woman - punched, kicked, placed in a choke hold, slammed to the floor, thrown down the basement stairs... all this was witnessed by her 3 yr old child and the trauma of watching this violence against her mother will effect her...... but the intruder wasn't hurt and that's the best part, huh?

    This is disgusting........:evil:
     
  21. Sadanie

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    I am prepared for the possibility of an attack. . .but I will NEVER prepare myself to kill another human being unless my life or that of another person is in IMMEDIATE danger. . . and I will NEVER consider my life to be in immediate danger by someone trying to steal my TV or my engagement ring, not even by someone who might verbally threaten me, or kick me, or give me a hit on the nose.

    There is ONLY one thing that is worthy of a life. . .and that is another life.
     
  22. Sadanie

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    So what. . .you really think that being beaten, even in front of your child is worst than being killed in front of your child?

    The rest of your comment is not only totally ridiculous, it is attempting to depict me as "supporting" the violence of that home invader. . .and there was NOTHING in my comment that should have led you to that conclusion.

    Do you think the woman would have been better off being beaten AND killing the assailant in front of her 3 year old daughter?
    I don't.

    Obviously I feel sorry for the woman and for the trauma it put her daughter through, although the daughter is young enough that she will forget. But taking the life of the assailant would NOT have made that trauma any lighter, ON THE CONTRARY!
     
  23. Hummingbird

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    Lol.... well, good luck w/that.... I'm sure your burglar would be more than happy to have a cup of tea w/you and chat for a bit.... according to the world you live in......
     
  24. Sadanie

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    No, you are the one CLEARLY Breaking the rules of this forum by using extremely offensive attacks on a very reasonable (and patient) member.

    Your insults have been reported.
     
  25. Hummingbird

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    Where did you hear this goofy, insane stuff from? From vampire & werewolf fictional books? It's not true, Sadamie..... relax.
     

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