Or, simply, she went out with her parents' knowledge, but came back later than she was allowed! In any case, I don't think she was deserving of the "death penalty" for ANY of that!
Actually it is relevant. From the intruders pov, they want to make sure there is as little noise and attention is made to the objective. Intruders don't go in a blaze of glory shooting at anything and everything. If they are armed, such weapons are used for intimidation to get control of the situatuion. ] - - - Updated - - - Your changing the goalposts again.
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up about upper locks on the front door. I called you out on it. I have said from the get go that i am waiting on more information.
I respectfully disagree. The first step is to try to determine the intruder's intentions. A gun is a tool, a knife is a tool, a screw driver, a hammer, a broom handle, a fist; all tools. Makes no difference to me which one. If they are breaking into my residence or place of business, and I have reason to believe they are intent on harming me, and they do not cease and desist when commanded, I will shoot them.
You weren't even awake so how does that even comparable to what happened here? How do you know how you would have reacted if you were awake? Do you even own a gun? Would you investigate? How would you know if were asleep? You are just lucky they just took something to be honest and didn't have other things on their mind. And where did you live at the time? Cops asked for money to investigate lmao??? Yeah now I know that's a lie to high heaven haha. There are so many reasons cops can't get away with that it's not even funny. I'm glad you have such great hindsight knowing what to do even though you still don't honestly know how you would even react.
Rule 10 is in eforce here. Prove that I am making stuff up or retract your statement. - - - Updated - - - You can generally determine an intruder's intentions whether they are armed or no. If not armed, it gives you more options than if they are armed.
How does one disprove your imagination? And i really dont care what you think about rules.. You attack my family and then try to play games? What happened to you?
You do have a valid point of contention - I did say that I had been posting on 'these fora' since I was 12, so there is a reasonable excuse for confusion. But, not to put too fine a point on it, I did not say 'this forum', and these fora could be taken to mean fora of this sort. I joined here when I was not quite 15, but I did join other discussion boards (not all political - mainly game boards in my early years) from the age of 12. But even if I had been 12 when I joined here, that would make me 16, which is not a child in any real sense of the word. Surely you realise that? But I apologise if I caused confusion. As for the 'Biblical' quote, I will see your agnostic and raise you a near-atheist. I used it as a moral principle common to society, rather than a Biblical instruction.
Who the hell is "you people"? I am far from liberal and have a concealed carry permit. I have owned and shot guns since I was eleven years old. I have competed with handguns and shotguns. When I am exposing my gun hand and enough of my head to have one eye on the intruder, he certainly doesn't have the upper hand. If he withdraws, he lives. If he threatens, he doesn't.
what imagination? Does your front door have a security lock that is only operated from the inside? Most, if not all, residential front doors have this since this is a very common securty device. Even if yuour front door does not have this, it does not discount the fact of my claim Look we both know she lived there. Since we both know she lived there, she more than likely has a key. If she has a key, then going through the front door was blocked for one or more reasons. If she did not have a key, then we know she used an alternative path to get in and had the abiltiy to lock and unlock the window so that she could get in. But all of that does not matter if the stepdad followed proper procedure to make sure he know what the hell he was hshooting at. Taht is why I included pTSD since such a mental illness, even if undiagnosed, probably had more do do wit hthe the death htan her being outside, inside, 6am or even 6pm.
So it's your opinion that armed intruders only want to intimidate their victims? Really? Seems like a stupid bet when you and your families life is on the line. Also it's your contention that home invasions happen quietly under cover of darkness? Why I bet most victims of home invasion don't even realize they've been invaded until they run out of eggs at breakfast due to extra heads at the table. See if you can sell that one at the water cooler.
Boy did I have it wrong. With your name being "Leo2", I thought it stood for LEO (Law enforcement officer), and you would have had a very valid opinion on this thread. Now your opinions here make sense, your are definitely not a LEO
There is a clear distinction between home invasion and burglary. A home invasion generally does no have forced entry and a burgl;ary does have a forced entry. That being said, if you are coming upon an intruder who is burglarizing you, aka came into your home through a forced entry, then you need to look at whether they are armed or not. If they are armed with a firearm, then you have no choice but to shoot. If they are not armed, you can control the situation through intimidation and surprise. if its a home invasion, which usually occurs with a false pretense and no force of entry, this is a completely different sitatuion and is not distinguished i nthe article by the OP. Details, details, details makes the difference between one choice or the other.
As you said, the first step is to try to determine the "intruder's" intentions. . .That is kind of hard to do if you shoot first, even if you don't see a gun or any "tools" in the "intruder's" hands!. . .Especially if you shoot him in the heart, the head or the stomach! This literal "trigger" reaction is killing a LOT of innocent people. . . from a 14 year old family member to a 72 year old man with Alzheimer, or a young woman looking for help! Whatever that Trigger reaction is doing. . .it is NOT saving any lives. . .it is NOT working, and something needs to be done about it!
Not in my opinion! There is NO MATERIAL thing that is worthy of taking a life! And, if a person wants to steal a TV. . .he/she probably wouldn't think the TV is worth anyone's life either, and could be stopped with a mere warning and intimidation. And if that doesn't stop him. . .LET HIM TAKE THE DAMN TV! That's what we have home insurance anyway!
Alright, I'll agree - let him take the damn tv. It can be easily replaced, has no real monetary, sentimental or historical value to it..... but I have my grandmother's china, crystal and silverware, which is worth a helluva lot of $$$ and it's my kids inheritance and I should let some thieving sewer rat run off w/my kids inheritance?! You're damn right I'd shoot him, not to kill him, but he would get a bullet in him.....
Disagree on two counts. There is no shoot to kill. It's shoot to stop the threat. If that results in death than so be it. There is a value to our possessions otherwise burglars would not try to take them. By simple risk assessment the burglar has placed a value on those items greater than his own life. The value of a burglars life is their own private choice. No reason any homeowner should argue with their choice or let it enter into their own personnel equation. If they wish to die for the chance at a free tv that should not void my property rights. If enough people publicly declared they would not resist thieves out of respect for thieves we'd have a ton more thieves. Thievery might even become lawful.
Your moral judgement means nothing to me. Stand Your Ground and Castle laws are new. They are not needed. The few states that support SYG or Castle laws should repeal them because of people who think their big screen TV is more important than a person's life. With all due respect, you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about.
What these trigger happy murderers fail to realizes is that dead people don't talk and the chances of busting a crime ring are decreased if that guy's brains are covering their curtains. I guess they think it's fine for the kids to see that... but I guess that's what ignorance does to people. Shame.
