I never made such a claim. However, the fact that most home shootings are from accidental discharges doesn't help your cause of gun owership. The you'd better hope they're not armed too, because you may end up in the body bag. Real life is not a Charles Bronson movie where only the "good guys" get shot. BTW, from a moral perspective, I'd rather associate with a TV thief than somebody who finds excuses to kill people.
0 The problem is, this was preventable. First, he forgot all of mis military training. He was trained to first distinguish between friend and foe, day or night. He failed that aspect. SEcobnd, he has to be sure of his target, and goes back to identifying friend or foe. He failed in that aspect as well. And if this occured in the field, he would be facing an article 32 hearing for conduct unbecoming and negligent homicide in a combat opeations. Regardless of the outcome, his military career would have been over, to say the least. Third, my suspicioin is that he had PTSD. If he did, that means he could not own a gun, much less handle a gun because he could not distinguish between friend and foe. Yes, it is a tragic, but it is fortunate that no one oese was killed because he failed to follow2 his military training, gun safety, and not being abole to distingusih who is stepdaughter was. His wife should, at least for the time being, be seperated from him and give him a choice, medical treatement or divorce.
There is no moral perspective, that is yours and yours only, so don't inject your religion into this. Breaking into someone's house warrants death, and the law is on all Americans side. You have never experienced an intruder, so your opinion is ignorant at best. Protecting my family is my number one priority, not yours or anyone else's. If you don't want a weapon, that's your choice, but my choice is to have a weapon, and the law and constitution support my position
No it does not. If you cannot identify them, then that means they cannot identify you if both of you are in close quarters.
What??? You are posting all that on such a small article that provides almost zero information? - - - Updated - - - An intruder doesnt have to "identify" anyone.
Because the ideological crap about guns occurs predominantly amongst Americans - it is a matter of experience, not bias. I have posted on British fora, and no such ideological divisions materialise, because guns are simply not a significant part of British culture. To accuse me of bias in the matter, would be the equivalent of my accusing you of similar bias for making mention of Brits and Aussies getting hot and bothered over The Ashes.
Unarmed Miriam Carey was shot by cops in broad daylight. Not a peep out of the left. I got news for you. That gun the cop carries is to protect him, not you.
If you want to proclaim a Constitutional right as " ideological crap" i dont think its possible you and i can have a respectful debate over this. That and by your own admission you are a child.....
I understand that the laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction in the USA, but I like the sensible and rational opinion you have of the matter. If only more people thought as you do, I am sure many more innocent Americans would be alive today. Thanks for that post.
The 'ideological crap' to which I referred was not the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. It is the partisan and hyperbolic bickering between pro and anti gun Americans, which detracts from the utility of discussing this case from the moral and legal perspective. And, as I am sure you are aware, I am 19, which is not defined as a 'child' anywhere in the world. Do you really consider denigrating another poster as 'a child' (thereby implying immaturity and ignorance) is conducive to respectful debate? Are you familiar with Matthew 7:5? "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beame out of thine owne eye: and then shalt thou see clearely to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye." - King James Version (1611)
you must have several accounts of this happen so give us two or three that all happened on the same day. Don't us the "most aren't reported because they aren't horrific enough to make the news". We hear about coips killing dogs so if a parent killed their kid it is news. Do you have a link to show that you are telling the truth. So bad guys with gun only shoot the home owner if the home owners shoots at them first?? You might not want to associate with a TV thief too closely in Texas. As far as people who are looking for a reason to kill someone; We put those people away all the time. This case looks like an accidental shooting but we may never know the truth on that.
I suggest you drop the whole offended act you are the only that said you have been posting on "These forums" since "like 12" a simple look at your profile shows your join date and simple math would say that would make you a child. You didnt say political forums in general. As an Agnostic feel free to quote Bible scripture all you want it has zero impact on me but nice try.
I disagree with either your reading of law or the available facts of the case. Can you point out when the shooter determined his stepdaughter was intent on committing murder, bodily harm or a mere felony inside the home?
So, yiou are saying it's the girl's fault? So you are swaying an intruder will shoot just for the hell of it?
Why do you always ask questions to something a person is not saying. Do you understand the idea of needing more information and not rushing to judgement or do you not learn from history specially recent history?
From the article, she was shot in the chesst and stomach, whcih means she was facing him. The questions I would be asking is why could he not be able to identify his own family member who may have a right to be in the home. If so, then this statue may not apply here since it could not be determined that it was an intruder.
He's a trained member of the armed forces with over a decade of service and a tour in Iraq... Officer or not, he has the training to handle something like this.
Do you realize she was shot in the chest and stomach. This indicates she was standing in full view. Even the silouette would have distinguished between male and female. Even he should ahve been able, at a short distance, either day or nigh, to recognize who she was or possibly was. Even his military training would have kicked in to distingusih between friend or foe. This is all information that is unstated. Waht do you want, a grand tour or the blantantly obviouis?
Who said it was short distance? All we know is she was supposedly sneaking in around 6 AM into a basement window. Most basements are dark* gasp*. What the (*)(*)(*)(*) was a 14 year old doing out all night and then sneaking into home? There is more to this story then is listed and i find is shocking that progressives are going by what the Daily Mail says when whenever they are posted on other topics you guys do nothing but attack them as a source. We know she snuck in throught the window or was attempting to. We dont know WHERE she was shot in the house how long she was in the house how much noise she was making how long this all happened in etc etc etc . Those are called details. Your opinions are not facts no matter how much you try to make them out to be. FFS you think you would have learned with your rush to judgement in another very public event.
The shooter only has to believe the intruder is intent on committing a felony, or bodily harm. There are not enough details available to come to a definitive conclusion, however, disproving the shooter's beliefs would be difficult in court. Perhaps he received a threat earlier in the day? Perhaps he had been attacked by an assailant of similar stature in the past? We can't really know all the details that went into his decision to pull that trigger. I'm not defending his action, he was negligent in my view. I just don't believe he would be convicted of a crime in my state based upon the given information.
Why would you ask such an irrelevant Question? In you scenario you have an intruder, brandishing a gun. Who the hell cares what their intent is? True intent is irrelevant. Possible intent is all that matters in that moment. It seems impossible for some people to fathom certain situations. I can't help but wonder where the disconnect begins.
You may be right but I still disagree. There's no doubt the facts of the case are missing. Still it's hard for me to believe this petite 14 year old exhibited felonious conduct in enough fashion to warrant fear from a large vet. All the while masking her identity. As I said in a previous post. I wouldn't judge the man severely. I'm sure his intent was not to kill his stepdaughter that morning. Still his actions did not follow the laws intent. Wether the DA presses charges is a different matter. Edit The story also mentions a burglary previously in the day with NO details tho. Now we can envision a vet ramped up willing to defend his family. This would be a very bad night for a 14 year old to decide to sneak out and sneak back in. This is just an example of how bad things happen to good people. Poor choices all around.
The first step is to identify if the intruder had or did not have a gun. If I am seeing someone in full frontal view, that alone would tell me whether they ad a gun or not that I could see. To make such an assumtion would be unwise and ignorant to say the least. When facing an intruder, losing control of your faculties is not an option here. Beebn there, done that sort of thing.
Once again irrelevant. You wanted to know if an intruder would just shoot a homeowner for no reason. That was your premise. While the above reply is correct it's also irrelevant to what you previously posted.
Not necessarily. she could have banged on the front door and no one answered. She ould have assumed the upper lock on the fornt door would be unlocked. Since it was locked from the inside only, she had to use an alternaitve path to get in. Stepfather was told a different time than when she entered the home. And the the list can go on and on and on and on. By your actions, you are blaming her and by your actions, you are insulting the intelloigence of most posters here.
