WHO says 80% or more will suffer mild symptoms from Corona

We are going against the WHO advice and I hear all protocol on new epidemics. It is a big risk and I would suggest is only being tried because it is the old and those with diabetes, asthma, cancer, heart problems and fat who are at risk and even with that they are asking them to stay in isolation for 4 months so that they can say they did their best. The chance that this virus will have changed by the next time it comes here so we will have no immunity is a strong possibility. It may even change when they are getting people infected becoming much more harmful to younger people. it strikes me as a macho far right strategy...that being said they are trying to look clean - asking people to self isolate and to start making respirators. We only have a quarter of those Germany has. Germany has had hardly any deaths 6,248 cases and only 13 deaths. I doubt the NHS will stand this. They clearly have created a plan where they will let as many people as possible get infected, then shut everyone down to give the NHS room and then let them get going again. This probably goes with them also saying they expect the UK to have two peaks. Peak one will take 50% of cases and after peak 2 95% of cases will be done. When this was disclosed they also said their expected death toll was 500,000

 

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Fear Is the Mind Killer


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I'm not in denial about the virus. I'm in denial about the value of the hysteria about it.

 

But who is in hysteria about it? The people I notice are those who so cannot bare the idea of it being there that they claim it is just the regular flue...and then go on about everyone else being hysteric.

People are saying this looks like the pandemic the world has been watching out for. The US President pretended it didn't exist and would just disappear. The UK Government is trying to get 'herd resistance' and ignoring WHO guidelines. I haven't seen anyone in hysteria just people who think it is flue saying it is hysteria.

There is apparently a new good book or article about those who when faced with a crises appear to be over reacting. It said to some extent they were but that is not unhealthy when what you are dealing with is not known. They tended to be the better survivors.

 

Really? This is what it’s all about? The Progressives and the Nationalists saw what China got away with and started drooling? Unlimited power, a politician’s ultimate orgasm.

“New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is arguing that the best way to tackle the coronavirus outbreak is for the federal government to take over critical private companies in the medical field and have them running 24 hours a day.”
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Is this the real reason we are destroying the economy, political power? Because destroying the financial lives of 300 million to save one million makes no sense, power for the sake of power does.

 

Interesting to see you joined the hysterical crowd. By the way I ignore everything the UN says.

 

I see. Those who you don't agree with are hysterical. Good luck. One day you might present a proper argument and will not need to suffice on personal attacks.

 

The destruction of an economy over a virus with a 99+ survival rate? It’s either the biggest con job every conceived or mass hysteria. Because it most certainly is not rational behavior.

 

Awe its money you are worried about. 1% of the world gone. Well I hear it will be more and much more in the poorer countries but personally if you are not living in Germany I would not count on it only being 1% anywhere else. To you a pandemic should just be allowed as you value money above the people lost and remember the fundamental worry is having health services which cannot cope in which case many many more people die. We do not even know what this virus is yet. You are not alone as we can see. One thing we can be sure of. This pandemic is going to show us who we are,++

I bet the Hedge Funders are making trillions.

 

I hope it does. I miss my copy of Gettysburg.

 

Uh huh. Sure you did. Whatever you need to tell yourself to fall asleep at night. That’s why it’s hard to think about big numbers. Because you literally can’t.

 

People should be aware that the strategies which are now being enacted are being done in order to keep the death rate at about 2%. That is higher than the Spanish flue. WHO put that up to 3.4% when it noted that people were not taking the pro active action which they expected. That is where they are now with it. If people because of their need for money and believing this will just be a cull of the old want this to stop, they ought to be aware that many more people with the virus get well in hospital from the virus and do not die and many of them will die also if we allow our health services to be overwhelmed and it will not just be the young and middle aged with diabetes, with asthma or other breathing difficulties, with cancer, with heart problems and who are fat who will die it will also be a lot of people needing hospital care who do not even have the virus. One day people may learn to think of others.

 

So you say. It’s ok.

 

As I suspected, it’s more faith in altruism than fidelity to reason.

 

1. Paragraphs are you friend.

2. Y’all gotta make you mind up. Is it a high death rate or mass infection your anticipating? You can’t project both based on the number of deaths we have seen.

Infection is vastly under reported, many are not even aware they had or have this virus. No one disputes that. So unless we have a lot of dead bodies hidden some where the death rate is very very low.

 

As I said, if Governments decided just to allow this to happen, the deaths would be massively more. Many people who are currently going to hospital for treatment for the virus, being put on ventilators and recovering would instead end up dead and that would include people from all ages. In addition many other people who need urgent medical attention would not get it....and the idea that any country doing this, any country with an explosion of the virus would be able to carry on business is insane. I think the idea of acting in this way, deliberately putting in motion the death of what could be in this situation something like 10% of the population or even more is very similar to the mentality the Nazis had when they were exterminating the mentally and physically disabled. If that is what you call reason you can shove it where the sun don't shine. I do believe that you have written before about feeling and how thinking is all there is. A person like that is a psychopath, totally incapable of empathy.

 

You need to read what I said. What I was talking about was the situation if, as some people want, Governments did not put in strategies to contain the virus - then you almost certainly would get mass death. The death of those who would have died as well as the death of many more due to the countries health system being overwhelmed.

The Number who die will vary according to how good the medical service is in a country and how effective are the procedures they put in place.. Some people need for instance to stay on respirators for over a week. Countries which are short of these are likely to see more deaths as would more deaths be expected in countries which did not work on containment.

I know and I know we cannot know who is infected if this is not reported. However I do not see that as an excuse to allow many more people to die who would not if known action to reduce deaths were taken..

 

How do Nazis always work themselves into leftist post? It’s a cheap talking point and nothing more.

 

I believe that the position that we should not take action on this virus and that money is more important than the death of all those who die which seems to come from people who ignorantly believe the only people who will die in this situation is the old and sick is based on the same mentality as the Nazis had for the mentally and physically disabled. Of course they are wrong and will be killing a lot more people but the mentality is because people are not productive, they should be dead. Now I have to go now so will not waste more time on this.

 

There is reaction and there is over reaction. The latter can do more damage than no reaction at all long term.

In unknown situations it’s hard to know where that line is. But we seems to chosen to over react, and not by a little bit by an excessive amount. That in turn has created undue panic and has accelerated the over reaction. Vicious cycle.

We can’t buy toilet paper. Silly to say, but a insight into the stupidity this panic had surged too.

 

Democracy now is speaking about the possibility that people can get re-infected by the virus - that is getting it again shortly after they have had it the first time. That peak prosperity guy I follow said this a long time ago but I thought it was not accurate as it seemed to not be being mentioned. With Democracy Now saying it is sounds like this may be so. The other thing they mentioned was something which he spoke of recently which is that it is looking like some people who recover may have long term problems. He particularly spoke of lung problems. That could include people now only in their twenties because they are receiving treatment for pneumonia brought on by Covid-19 This is where the insanity of people who do not want to follow protocol of a new epidemic is most visible. They do not even know what they are dealing with but they say 'bring it on'

Possibly this sort of information as well as the response of British media has been what appears to have made Johnson change his mind on getting mass infection - or as I said before they may have been doing a Trump on it - putting it out and seeing public reaction and now going back as it does not look like the public would accept this.

 

https://io9.gizmodo.com/how-to-comprehend-incomprehensibly-large-numbers-1531604757
So science says.

 

Not true. People are rarely hysterical regardless of whether they agree with me or not. Currently, the world is hysterical - far more hysterical than is sensible - about this virus. Apparently you don't consider it hysterical so you disagree with my "personal attack." That's fine.

The virus - assuming the tests are accurate - develops symptoms in some people, does not develop them in others and even kills a few. Other corona viruses behave about the same. This one is more contagious and appears to kill more people but isn't really a deadly disease. If it had a mortality rate of 50% or killed healthy people I would not describe what is going on in society as hysteria. But in comparing this corona virus to others, I would say it is a little worse so people should take more precautions until we have a vaccine. Those precautions will also reduce infection of other corona viruses. It is appropriate for government to warn people about the virus and to provide guidance on the precautions people should take. It is completely inappropriate for government to engage in a police state like we see in Italy. This virus is not worth a loss of freedom. Sorry, I can't think of a better term for it than hysteria.