WHO says 80% or more will suffer mild symptoms from Corona

This is so overblown, the over reaction is now rolling downhill and picking up speed and momentum. I would not trust the left to lead me out of a circus maze house, they are incapable of leading as they simply live in fear of everything.

 

It is similar to flu but little worse than the regular. The world is behaving hysterically given the fact that this is not what we normally term a deadly virus. It isn't much more deadly than flu.

I can't imagine why people have been watching for a pandemic. There are far more effective and useful things to do. The US president didn't pretend it doesn't exist. That is simply wrong. He did try to calm the hysteria but that backfired on him because he is attacked about everything he does. He has done a lot of things about the virus, most of which don't meet with my support. The UK government is acting appropriately. It is providing information about the virus and providing guidance to the public. It is not participating in the hysteria. WHO is a political beast worth ignoring.

Sounds like the book provides good advice. Just a guess.

 

Government can't help itself. It always looks for more power and control. Everybody says it is better to overreact than to under-react. I disagree. The overreactions won't solve the virus problem but is seriously hurting our economy. I can't help but think that hurting the economy may be a goal of those who spread the hysteria.

 

According a portuguese study, the corona virus likes mild temperatures, not cold nor hot temperatures.
If it's true, we will see more coronavirus in north hemisphere next weeks and it will diminish in summer.

 

That’s anti-science, not science—it ignores the mind’s ability to conceptualize and seeks to deny the validity of knowledge by reducing it to pure sensory stimulation.

 

Even for the elderly it has a survivability of 85%. Hell, that’s my every day odds.

This is an exercise in power—political power, not rational power.

Perspective:
“Of the roughly 150,000 people who die each day across the globe, about two thirds—100,000 per day—die of age-related causes.[18] In industrialized nations, the proportion is much higher, reaching 90%.[18]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate#Mortality_statistics

What you are watching is the power of ideology, in this case, Altruism—in name of humanity we are going to destroy human prosperity—we are going to sacrifice for the good of the community—we are going to put the common good before selfish profit.

Homes will be lost, dreams will be crushed, lives will be shattered, businesses will be closed, careers will be stymied, unemployment will rise, yet the dead will still die, the sick will still ail. What was accomplished? The rise of political power to control our every move.

It will be ugly and brutal. And all for a respiratory virus that makes the dying dead, and leaves the living with a week or two of feeling blah.

 

oh, the portuguese study concluded also that the coronavirus likes dry air.
i think this is an important conclusion, a remedy with less colateral effects. So, wet air is the solution, wet sauna is good.

 

link to the portuguese study
i suggest to use google to translate

in the text, the say the governments could use this knowledge to planning the combat.

i think this knowledge should be used directly to combat, by puting the sick in a room bad for the coronavirus.

https://rr.sapo.pt/2020/03/13/pais/...meses-de-expansao-em-portugal/noticia/185333/

 

President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.

The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...s-to-stop-virus-spread/ar-BB11gOhC?ocid=ientp

Trump is also very much alarmed, is he exaggerating?

 

no they mean hot temp as in 135F or 50-60c, they only thing get hot like that is reflective surface in summer.

 

1-3% mortality rate is when you under non-strained hospital environment. when you have tens-thousands going to ICU, doctor start choosing who die or not. looking at Italy 28,000 and 2300 death, thats over 10% death, and mainly due to the fact hospital are been overwhelmed. thats why they said FLATTEN the curve by doing social distancing.

also you are comparing Every disease vs 1 virus.

 

to s002

the article specifies mild temperature (that's good for the virus) is in the band 5 - 10 c (centigrade)

 

mild temperature is in the band 5 - 10 centigrade.

 

You think. You believe you know better that the WHO. Please explain your experience and academic qualifications for this.

The country where it was first seen and which appeared to get things settled was China. In order to get it settled it confined everyone in the areas where it was to their homes - either removing people who had not kept in isolation and putting them into State camps where they were far more likely to get it or I have even heard of them welding people in so that they could not get out. Even with that the numbers of deaths are not trusted. It would have been impossible to cut Wuhan off more than was done and when a case arose anywhere else immediately the same procedure was put in place. China was dead. Nothing was happening and they appear to have more or less got it stabilised.


Pretty early on we saw countries in the area starting to get the virus. None of them have got a serious infection rate such as is currently happening in Europe. Why do you think that was? Simply they used their heads and were proactive, shutting their borders, testing and finding contacts and isolating where needed and in that they have not seen their numbers growing as has been happening in Europe and will most certainly be happening in the US.

The death rate in Wuhan was 5.2% The Chinese had to build 12 extra hospitals in order to treat all their patients.

Now the main issue that we know at the moment is that we are going to need massive medical help for people infected of all ages. That is the reason why the West too ought to have been acting as people in Asia did when they got the virus from China. Last night there was reporting from one of the hospitals in Italy. They were speaking about the fact that not one person who they had had on a respirator had survived. How emotionally devastated they were all feeling finding their work was resulting in no survivors. Why do you think the UK has changed its policy in a matter of two days. Here's why

That is why the attitude of the US Government has been insane though not that of individual US States. New York has started building extra hospitals to cope with the influx of patients it expects. They have clearly studied things and know what they need to do to look after their people and keep the death rate as low as possible.

We do not yet know the long lasting consequences of the virus - there are questions as to whether some people do not build up immunity. There even has been questions as to whether if/when people are re-infected the infection may be far worse. This happens with some illnesses and was found to happen with the vaccine which was created for SARS. There is also now talk that people who are recovered may have long term consequences and there is a lot more to learn.

All you guys are, are people who know nothing trying to argue against the best experts on the subject just like you do about climate change. Thank God the world will not listen to you. It is truly an amazing thing that in a world which gave people a free education to see they use that education to defy and belittle the experts who have spent their life getting that expertise and claim they know more. There is so much we do not know about this virus but all you guys can do is pretend it is flue and there are no problems from it. Such people are going by an emotional need to be better than the best educated. They do not respond to facts. They do not even bother to get themselves informed. Thankfully they are a very small number.

 

Hmmm. If you isolate the elderly, the death rate will drop drastically, perhaps as low 3 per thousand (.3%) though being elderly, some will still die for other reasons. The UK is behaving rationally.

 

American hospitals can handle any overflow by stopping elective surgery, renting space, using field hospitals. Additionally, if you isolate the elderly from the general population, the overflow will be minimal, if any.

 

Death risk by age and health condition. The elderly sick, highest risk; the young and healthy, very low risk. The kids, (under 10) no risk.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/whos-most-at-risk-from-the-coronavirus-11584048476

Isolate the elderly, send the kids to school, let the productive young and healthy work, eat, drink, and be merry.

 

It is not necessary to risk an economic catastrophe to deal with this puny virus. Isolate the high risk. The rest? Go about your business.

 

Talking of money....

I was just speaking with my daughter and she asked me why I thought Johnson was not banning things like meetings, theatres and so on. I said oh he is relying on people doing it. He may ban it later. She told me that was not it at all. He is not banning people from taking part in all these activities for the exact same reason as he did not ban people taking holidays in Italy when it was obvious that Italy was full of infection - money.

By not banning he does not need to give compensation to places for loss of earnings and it does not allow people who have insurance against such loss of earnings such as her partner from getting compensation. That is how she knew about it. All the kids clubs have been stopped and all my Grand daughters Gymnastic Displays and Competitions have been stopped but not her classes - why? Because they are the only income of her teacher. By not stopping the classes she is able to keep the advance money which has been paid even if no children attend. Her income will go dead at Easter.

Johnson apparently came out with these suggestions when he was given information that the plans he had previously made were likely to result in 260,000 deaths. (a bit better than their previous intent on 500,000 I guess!)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-latest-update#block-5e7087dd8f088d7575594cbb

The pressure is for schools to close. My daughter who has just stopped work on maternity leave, has hers at home and is intending on keeping them there for the next few weeks. Kids need online lessons - while keeping schooling for essential workers.

I don't think Johnson was being genuine in his demand for people to isolate as much as possible when he chose to leave it as an option and the reason he did that was so that those losing their livelihood, for instance my grand daughters Gymnastic teacher will not be able to claim on insurance and so will continue working and by that continue spreading the virus.​

 

Isolate the elderly and the sick, not chain up the young and healthy. That’s rational, destroying an economy is insane.

 

Even though I ignore whatever the UN says, I didn't say anything contrary to what WHO has said. Of course the statistics are unknown because nobody knows how many people have been infected. We only know about those who have been tested or died. I have the same experience you have.

Keeping people away from each other always reduces the spread of contagious diseases. I wouldn't recommend believing anything that comes from China. There are many more trustworthy countries.

Generally poor data.

Perhaps but unlikely. In order to know a death rate you have to know the number of infections.

I see the same news you see. I just don't analyze it the way you do.

The hysteria is obvious all over.

That "talk" is another symptom of the hysteria.

I haven't defied or belittled anybody except for the UN. I have the same information you have. To me that information leads me to think this corona virus is similar to the others such as the SARS that mentioned above. The difference is how the public has reacted to it. The reaction is hurting peoples' lives unnecessarily. It would have been better to deal with it the same way we have dealt with the other viruses. Having fist fights over toilet paper helps nobody. You are arguing about the virus. I am arguing about the reaction to it. Apples and oranges.

 

See just more of how little you know. In China they separated mothers and new born at birth if the mother was infected and the US is according to the New Scientist thinking of doing this. She thought we were too. However even without that a woman here in late pregnancy got the Virus and ended up in hospital with pneumonia. She did not see her child for the first few weeks. Either way she is not risking such a thing happening to her. Clearly if she just isolates herself that will do not good. The children must also be isolated It is beyond stupid to believe you can tell a population to self isolate which to a large extent was what Johnson was doing last night and think you can keep schools going and avoid it being spread. Just won't happen. Britain's schools will isolate soon. There is strong pressure on it. Most American States have shut their schools. They are not stupid.

I appreciate you do not understand about the bonding between a mother and her baby nor it would seem how impossible it is to stop the spread of a disease while keeping kids at school.

You will note that the change in Johnson's plan came from hearing it was likely to result in 260,000 British deaths. I accept they are no interest to you...only the market is it would appear, but most Brits would not support letting all these people die when it could be avoided. The Government would be sued until it was no more.

What we in Scotland should have done when we got our first case from contact with Italy - brought here by the Government not banning holidays to Italy...what we should have done then was shut the country down. Shut everything down. Shut the border with England down...and wait 6 weeks. Then we could keep borders shut but we also would have kept the virus out.

Talk of recession and so in is just ignoring the reality that everyone and their dogs have been saying there was going to be a recession in 2020 before anyone had ever heard the word coronavirus. This has been clear since the 2008 depression which indicated that neo liberalism is no longer a viable economic model and since has been held together for those who have. Stop trying to project that as a reason for not following the protocols of a pandemic and deliberately letting people die when they could have been saved.

 

Reality check. How does an economy work when no one is working? I’m not working. I speculate there are many more like me. Making money: 1000, to not making money: 0. Oh oh. Now multiply that by tens of millions. Oh oh. No production, no consumption. No consumption, no economy. FK.

And for how long? End of August? FK. FK. FK. Hell, I’ll probably catch the normal flu and die anyway.

Just one big fkn hysterical mess.

 

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I see you are someone who puts instant gratification above sustainable solutions.

China shut up. China is back at work. Recent areal views are sadly seeing pollution is thriving again in China. China showed the world that the only way we could stop this virus was to isolate it - what someone I follow called giving it an RO of 1. The Asian states around China took this information and straight away took tests, found contacts, isolated the infectious, supplied everyone with face masks to avoid passing the infection on and in general till now have done very well.

The West however was putting money first or maybe they just thought they were a little bit more clever or a little bit more liberal and they waited till their people stated shouting at them to take action and even taking action by themselves, not attending large venues, keeping off the street unless they needed to be there - that seems to have happened quite a lot in both the UK and US. In other words the free will of the people in the US and UK was to do what was needed to keep people safe. Europe has varied in its reactions but in general the US, UK and Europe have not acting pro actively and done what was know would stop this virus dead. China suffered from trying to pretend it did not exist/was not that dangerous as many here do and that cost them a lot. The Asian countries who got the virus from China used their heads, learned from the experience China had and by so doing have suffered very little. The West looks like it is going to suffer the most as it seems to have broadly ignored what China did presumably believing the virus had changed. For this stupidity it looks like the West is going to be the worst hit. What we can do now to shorten the effect of this virus will help us on all levels including the economic.

Your problem is you only look at your own instant gratification. If you were able to look at the best way for your long term future, You would have been for following the known effective way to deal with this virus. Even in China it is still a balance of allowing sufficient people to work while not allowing the virus to catch hold again. They need the economy to provide for the people but they need the virus quiet to allow that to happen.

I do not know what if anything you have studied but I am guessing no research. You only look for instant gratification.

Really you are a one trip pony on this. You appear to learn nothing new and to change your mind on nothing. Thankfully most people are getting informed. They care about themselves and their families.
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