Who should not own a gun?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Bowerbird, Nov 3, 2012.

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Who should not own a gun

  1. everyone has a right to own a gun

    8 vote(s)
    13.8%
  2. people with a serious mental illness

    38 vote(s)
    65.5%
  3. those with criminal history

    31 vote(s)
    53.4%
  4. Elderly with early dementia

    19 vote(s)
    32.8%
  5. Physical disability i.e. poor eyesight, severe tremor

    10 vote(s)
    17.2%
  6. Children under 17

    24 vote(s)
    41.4%
  7. Other

    21 vote(s)
    36.2%
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  1. Indofred

    Indofred Banned at Members Request

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    Pretty much everyone.
    I would be happy at serious target shooters and hunters but not the general public "John Waynes" who want it for home defence.
     
  2. countryboy

    countryboy Well-Known Member

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    Ahh, I see. So.....because you happened to get lucky one time, nobody else should be allowed to defend themselves in a manner they see fit? Typical lib mentality.

    As I said before, you do what you like. Just stay the (*)(*)(*)(*) away from MY guns, m'kay?
     
  3. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Inadequates sneak around with popguns pretending to be grownup - men use their fists. In a culture full of mother's boys guns are inevitable, I suppose. It is a bit contemptible, though, isn't it?
     
  4. Hate_bs

    Hate_bs New Member

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    Sorry but you just had an incompetent criminal. He learned a lesson from you and applied it to his next victim.
     
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    Anit-gun Senator Charles Schumer and concealed weapon permit holder.
     
  6. taikoo

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    Of course, that is false, if slightly humorous. An armed individual of course, could do something about said camel. How about you?

    Seriously, tho, if you feel for emotional or other reasons that you wish to be defenseless if ever in gravest extreme, that is your deal, tho hardly a responsible one if anyone depends on you for anything.

    What I dont get is why you invent fantasies about Americans and make up myths that we are supposed to believe in, and then try to do something about those myths.

    The one thing you overlook in dealing with said myths is that you made them up, and only you can take them back down.
     
  7. taikoo

    taikoo Banned

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    Not as contemptible as your fantasies, which tell us far more about you than they say about anyone else.
     
  8. taikoo

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    The second amendment is not about target shooting and hunting.

    The constitution is the law of the land. Any other parts you'd want to edit out?

    Why do you find it necessary to call names?

    In general thats not a sign of having thought something though.

    You feel that I, all 110 lbs, should not be allowed the means to protect myself in gravest extreme?

    Perhaps you've been lucky and nobody ever tried to kill you, maybe you dont have anything that anyone wants.

    I honestly dont care about "guns" one way or the other. I do care about having the means to defend myself. You dont?
     
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  10. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I expect that means something to you when you are lying awake thinking poison about everyone, but it doesn't really say much to the point when you come down to it, does it? Keep at it, though - you'll find something relevant to say eventually!
     
  11. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    A faily good basis for a thread with several good selections but ultimately I had to choose the "Other" category. I selected that because we all have a right to defend ourselves which would by necessity include the right to keep and bear arms. There are reasons for infringments upon that right but they really have to be determined on a case by case basis.

    For examply not all criminals, including felons, are violent so simply banning firearm possession based upon a criminal act or felony can't be pragmatically supported. The same is true for mental illness because not all forms of mental illness represent a violent threat to others.

    My criteria would be that the right to keep and bear arms should only be limited based upon a ruling of the court where the individual presents a creditable threat to others if they are allowed to possess firearms.
     
  12. CallSignShoobeeFMFPac

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    I know she does, I have figured that out now.

    But she is such a cutie that I cannot resist spanking her and then coming back for more 2nd Amendment abuse.

    She gets to speak Auzzie and not Ja panese thanks to Gen Douglas MacArthur whose American dough boys were mostly farm boys and hunters before they volunteered to join up after Pearl Harbor.

    When you live in the Arsenal Of Democracy nobody is ever going to appreciate you until some other nation is at their gates with rifles and bayonets, and in the case of Ja pan swords too. Especially if they live on an island. Particularly a really big island. Where life is a beach.
     
  13. taikoo

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    So you respond with more fantasy / falsehood.
     
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    There are only a few locations in the country where I'd say a gun for home defense might be useful. Even most urban locations don't really seem like it's necessary. A solid lock on your doors and windows and an alarm system can go a long way for home defense. I'd say places like east Detroit are where gun home defense might be needed (but even there you could get away without. 99% of residential neighborhoods are perfectly safe given a solid lock and alarm system. Some American neighborhoods are even safe to leave your doors unlocked. My parents location for example I'd have no fear leaving the door unlocked for a night (though I don't normally risk it) There hasn't been a home invasion on that street for as long as that house has been there.
     
  15. Hoosier8

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    Where I live, downtown, I really do not expect much trouble and have locks and an alarm system but things have happened in this city like a couple of men storming a house, tying up the residents, and using their debit card to go out and extract money from their bank account. There are break ins all the time, some lethal. I also live on a path that takes the work release inmates right past my house and they look for easy pickins for theft. I have also had 6K of stuff stolen from my garage and my old vehicle broken into twice, once to steal the only thing of value, a little bit of change. I caught a drunk on camera breaking out my back door window of the house with a karate punch. Too grainy to see who.

    In this case, if I ever caught them in the act, I would have my shotgun with me just to let then know that to screw with me would hurt. That is the most used deterrent with firearms.
     
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    I have no real problem with people owning guns for self defense. I understand there are rough neighborhoods. But personally, I'd be very uncomfortable with a gun in the house, especially if there are kids around. I think if you take home defense seriously, like it sounds like you have, with an alarm, locks, and maybe barred windows if your neighborhood is bad enough, even in the worst neighborhoods you're unlikely to have a break in.
     
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    Only overgrown boys are interested in fist fights and consider them manly, it is a form of chest-thumping to compensate for their low self-worth. Real men care about ending the threat and protecting themselves and their loved ones. A gun is better for this than a fist.

    Dont get me wrong, I dont have an issue with stricter gun control, I just dont find this kind of argument to be convincing.
     
  18. taikoo

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    I do all of those things.

    AND I have a last line of defense for the home.

    I was attacked on a road circling a lake, while bicycling.

    In those days I didnt have a gun. Its why I now have a concealed carry permit.


    There is, btw, a handgun safe, made to open very quickly but cant be opened by anyone but the owner. Totally child proof.
     
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    The neighborhood is a gentrified historic district and most of the crime is petty. I installed a camera system but have to replace some of the cameras. No bars.

    I agree that one must be careful with kids around. My daughter, well trained in firearms as a Marine, has a 38 in a pistol safe but feels she needs one in case the ex ever shows up. I won't go into why she feels she needs one but just to say that it is warranted. I have no such encumbrances so do not have to worry about kids.
     
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    That's a whole other story. Because muggings do happen fairly frequently and there are few options to defend yourself. But there are options. My problem with guns in this case is the permanence of it. If a mistake is made a bullet can't be taken back. Where as a taser or a can of mace can be just as effective in personal defense it's not as permanent if used by a jumpy person or an untrained person.

    And again, this probably has to do with my upbringing. I was not raised with guns. So they make me very uncomfortable. And even people who are highly trained in them, like cops, make mistakes with them and shoot the wrong people or have it misfire or something like that. I just don't like how permanent a mistake with a gun is. That's all.
     
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    There's awful! :)
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only murdering bandits play with guns, poor dabs. Grow up and join the human race!
     
  23. Bowerbird

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    Most crims are incompetent, lazy or just plain stupid - that is why they are criminals

    Difference is - here I am far less likely to face an armed intruder than I am over there

    More guns = more gun crime
     
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    Your best defence is not bars on the windows but Bougainvillea or rose bushes growing underneath the windows - no crim is going to come up against nasty thorns if there are easier places to access
     
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    Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right.
    A simile isn't name calling.
    Paranoid thoughts about people wanting to kill you are a less than convincing argument for you owning a gun.
     

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