Who won the first debate?

Here are the first polifact ratings:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter...act-checking-first-trump-clinton-presidentia/

A normal degree of Trump honesty as expected.

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The fact that you can't debate a single point is very telling.

 

So basically you are confirming that he is smart by using the tax law that Congress critters like Hillary created.

 

Now that's rich, I stopped in a bar in rural pennsylvania to check out some of Monday night football. The debate was on , out of approx 50 people, zero were for Clinton. So you keep telling your stories.

 

The funniest part is Trump supporters actually believe that if Trump becomes President a miracle will occur and he will suddenly start caring about someone other than himself. Nothing in his entire life supports that optimism and hopefull we will not have to witness his poor supporters foolish optimism getting crushed by the reality of Trump.

Wait I am mistaken he does care about big titted women.

 

Who is checking fact checkers? Their "fact checks" appear to be mostly lies, distortions, out of context nitpickings and opinions. That the "TPP being golden standard of trade deals" isn't even mentioned is quite telling. Trump's pre-iraq war interview with Cavuto isn't mentioned either.

 

Smart enough to hire tax accounts to take advantage of loopholes for the rich, I suppose.

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Saying something is the "gold standard" is expressing an opinion. They don't fact check statements of opinion, generally.

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Is that supposed to refute my post in some way?

Clinton is up 2.3 points in the RCP Pennsylvania averages, despite your anecdotal report.

 

She lied about never saying that and never having that "opinion". It's perfectly fact-checkable... but they didn't.

They on the other hand didn't hesitate to "check" Trump's opinion that the financial disclosure is better than tax returns and substituted it with their own opinion.

Nice try though

 

No such thing as a loophole. Don't like the tax law talk to lying Hillary.

 

Wow, what a lie. Trump won every poll - conservative, liberal and neutral. The only exception CNN, which admits they overwhelmingly polled Democrats.

Trump won big time, despite the spin the corporate propaganda media tried to spin it. The media tried to spin it as a contest between actors delivering memorized lines to then declare Clinton the better actor. But to people this was not a memorization and acting contest. It is about issues. Nor did the cheesy trick to making Trump's mic so sensitive it picked up breathing work like they claim. Granted, those Democrats who are mindless little easily manipulated groupies enjoyed it and declared victory, but the majority of thinking people recognized Trump won on the issues.

 

Thanx for proving my case.

 

There's no such thing as a tax loophole? LOL, who told you that? Rush? Sean?

 

Hillary won, but Donald got in a few good jabs.

however, I have to say Donald came off as rude and childish.

constantly interrupting Hillary, getting very defensive.

and then constantly inserting the word "lie" when he disagreed with Hillary.

Trump clearly has a real persecution complex.

 

How did Hillary win? Even liberal Chris Matthews said the first half belonged to trump. She may have won the second half but nothing to indicate it was enough to make up for the first half.

Are you trolling or did you not watch the debate?

 

Hillary stayed calm while Trump was a raving, uncontrolled baby with a huge persecution complex.

Trump does not have the temperment to be President, and he showed it last night.

he's a juvenile idiot.

 

(Also, there's a whole thread about this topic)

Almost every SINGLE poll online shows Trump winning the debate. Head over to the thread.

Just because you wanted her to win, doesn't negate Trump destroying her in the first half- which no one denies.

 

Clinton lost - badly. Most of her supporters are just to involved to see it. They are in denial now.

You have to be at least a bit detached to judge the impact of political debates in the real world.

 

online polls are not scientific nor random, and can be voted on hundreds of times by the same person if they use proxy severs, or simply erase their cookies.

 

I'm asking you how she won the debate after she got man handled in the first half

 

Yea Clinton most certainly did not win.

 

How do you convince people who don't believe facts? Clinton has always been more honest than Trump. Trump lies much more often. She's just more guarded and private (not the same thing), and (dumb) people don't like that. They're the kind of people who misread a lack of eye contact as dishonesty.

 

I suppose you also think the moon is made of green cheese since that is a popular label for it.

No, there is no such thing as a tax loophole. That is a label made by people that don't like a particular tax law.

 

It was so clear, and yet her people did not even see what happened. Michael Moore saw exactly what was happening and was desperately tweeting for her become more effective during the debate. Eventually acknowledging that she had blown it.

Moore makes a very good living from his insights into how Americans think. He gets it - the DP and the Clintons do not.

 

Not sure who won but I would recommend the Donald do a little less coke before the next one as it was a little annoying to listen to him continually do the coke sniff time and time again.

 

Hillary had the facts on her side.

Trump didn't show good temperment.

he seems unhinged.

 

Trump sounded desperate with his yelling and interrupting. He was on the ropes with his tax returns, his racial discrimination law suits, his support of the iraq war (which he openly lied about) and then he got crushed when Hillary hit him with the stamina remark. I don't know a single point he won. LOL