Why did Hilary lose the 2016 election?

True but that doesn't delegitimise it, the whole idea was to stop the populous urban states dominating the rural.

 

That's not true, in Britain and the Commonwealth we all elect our local MPs and whoever is head of the largest party (or coalition) in Parliament gets to be PM so you can quite easily be leader with a minority of the vote. The scenario you outline could happen if a DNC candidate spent more time addressing the issues of rural America and not pandering to their urban base. You must also consider that guys like Nixon and Reagan swept the board regardless.

 

That's how she lost, not why.

 

Clinton had more votes from the people but less from politicians they voted into office.

 

Not true under the US system.

 

The system does not change the numbers, which was the point of my comment. In the final count, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes. According to the independent, non-partisan Cook Political Report, Clinton's final tally came in at 65,844,610, compared to Donald Trump's 62,979,636, with a difference of 2,864,974

 

But the politicians do not vote differently from the majority of their voters (although some people suggested that for Trump), the people vote for their state's electoral college and that elects the president.

 

That is truth, yet does not change the accuracy of what I said.

 

How many votes did Trump gain or Hillary lose because of these non-government Russians?

 

Let's just say I cannot imagine Bill Clinton, or Trump, or Dubya, telling a fan to "go to the end of the line."

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2015/...picture-go-to-the-end-of-the-line-video-6115/

There are all kinds of stupid.

 

Hillary - 4,678,321
Trump -+ 897,607

Not counting the 879 million illegal alien votes of course.

 

Yeah, I remember Trump in those three deciding states hitting up jobs and addressing the worker concerns. Compare that with Hillary telling those same folks that she will be the third Obama term.

Independents once again made the difference in all three states, Pennsylvania Independents went to Trump 48-41, Michigan independents to Trump 52-36 and Pennsylvania independents to Trump 50-40.

 

1: She was extremely unpopular, almost as unpopular as Trump. She would have been absolutely crushed by a typical GOP candidate like Romney or McCain.
2: The email scandal, Benghazi, the Wikileaks on the DNC, and Clinton Foundation rumors eroded people's trust and opinion of her and prevented her from using her time as Secretary of State, when she was most popular, as a argument for her.
3: Constant online conspiracy theories and attacks on her in social media and right-wing news, and even a mostly negative narrative in the mainstream media, some of it helped along by the Russian government. There is a long history of right-wing conspiracy theories against her in the past and she is seen as the devil by the right.
4: The rise of Bernie and the democrats moving to the left and not liking her more corporate establishment policies. The base had no passion for her policies and Bernie sparked a lot of left-wing rage against Hillary.
5: Her being female. Female candidates can't act tough so they come off as bitchy and cold. They try to show their softer side but then they seem weaker than male leaders. There is a reason every single president so far has been male.
6: The FBI investigation into her emails and them re-opening the investigation just days before the election. This resulted in a last-minute Trump surge.
7: The big miscalculation. Every single polling organization showed her leading Trump in most of the swing states and definitely going to win the rust belt. They were very wrong and caused her team to focus too much on getting red states instead of keeping blue ones.
7: Electoral bad luck. She won the popular but because she very narrowly lost the popular vote in a bunch of central swing states.
8: Rigged Electoral game. Democrats tend to crowd in big cities and big states. They also don't come out and vote as much as Republicans do, so a democratic candidate needs to do a lot more to get out the vote.
9: Third term curse. Historically it is very unlikely for someone of the same party to win after a two-term president of that same party. People have often gotten tired and want a change. Its hard to run a fresh campaign on basically doing all the same stuff.
10: Voting restrictions in swing states. During the Obama years, the right-wing legislatures passed voting measures meant to reduce voter fraud but also made it harder to vote, and some rules were seen as being obvious attempts to reduce turnout by the democratic base.
11: Her introverted nature. She is an introverted person and obviously took some coaching to seem more outgoing and human. But she just isn't naturally outgoing and charismatic.
12: Her fakness and pandering. It was obvious that she was coached and she was trying so hard to be likable that she often came across as fake. She also policies and said things that she believed people would like. She tried so hard to be likable that she same across as fake and even deceitful. She wouldn't speak straightforward and would often avoid directness.
13: Her uninspiring platform. She tried to present a platform people would like but it was so safe that it was uninspiring. It didn't have anything that would get anyone excited about. It was neither inspiring for the left or rust-belt white workers.
14: Her elitism and privilege. She never came across as relatable and it was obvious that she was very wealthy and cozy with the elite and the system was rigged in her favor. We judged this from the DNC hacks that showed their pro-Hillary bias, and her Wall Street speeches that got her big money.
15: Her poor campaign strategy and VP pick. Instead of picking a VP that would fire up her base she picked some guy we have already forgotten. She did this out of over-confidence she would win. She failed to fight hard in the debate, or really campaign hard in the rust belt to really pull in white voters.
16: Her and her husbands trade and jobs policies. Bill signed NAFTA and Hillary supported the Obama trade deal until she filled flopped. She also said to let coal die. This all really hurt her with rust belt working Americans who were tired of losing their jobs and living in poverty.
17. Trump. Trump was very unpopular and had made big mistakes. So he was obviously a bad candidate. But he was very charismatic and had a big personality and just ate the media attention. He had big slogans like make America great again, and building the wall, and fixing our trade deals that were inspiring to many people. He was also very himself and real in a way that Hillary was not.

 

Why did Hilary lose the 2016 election?

She promised more of the same to an electorate that wanted something different.

 

Given how close the race was and indeed her getting the popular vote, I am inclined to say none of the above. He just managed to the the right votes in the right areas. I just find it karmitic that she lost to Trump in the exact same way that Bernie lost to her for the nomination; popular vote taken away by the mechanics.

 

Trump never did not run a business into the ground.

not sure what you don't understand.

 

Does it matter? Even one is to many for that stupid baffoon.

Nope. Pretty much every buisness he has had his hands in went bankrupt. Hes a horrible businessman who has had to rely on his daddies money to bail him out more than once.

 

I voted "Other", and I'll focus on what actually would have won the election for her, no matter what... SHE NEEDED TO PROMISE MUCH MORE FREE STUFF!

In practical terms, that's how you get a huge Democrat turnout in the 21st-century -- you have to promise lots and lots of FREE STUFF!

To some Millennial or voting-age Gen Z'er, Hillary Clinton (and it will be true of Joe Biden also, going forward) WAS AN ANCIENT DINOSAUR. The under-40 crowd today doesn't really get spun-up about all this 'diversity' and 'inclusiveness' bullshit, even though they like to pretend that they do. Sure, they'll go along for the ride, and be all 'politically-correct', play at being "SJW's" (mostly just to piss off 'the old Boomer bastards') etc., etc.

>> But what any pandering, doctrinaire Democrat MUST (MUST) do is promise the bottom-feeding, bust-out masses lots and lots and lots of FREE STUFF, and MORE of it than there has ever been before! <<

Hillary thought she could just coast along by saying she'd be some kind of "Obama 2.0", and she'd win because, after all, "it was her turn", and, of very great important to dyed-in-the-wool Democrats, HILLARY HAD A VAGINA! But, there wasn't the sizzle of enough extra FREE STUFF!

 

You don't know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump

How do you suppose he manages to own a penthouse in Manhattan, several golf courses, and a very large jet airplane?

 

Theft and cheating, along with a lot of bankruptcies.

 

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

Crooked Hillary blames everyone from Comey to the Russians.

She's perfect in her own eyes.

She even blamed women who didn't vote for her saying they did what their husbands told them to do.

 

I think that Clinton lost to Trump because he had a superior message, is a better salesman, and ran a smarter campaign.

 

I don't think that Trump had any sort of "strategy" at all.

He just broke all of the rules and threaded a narrow needle and got lucky.

Trump won. That is all that matters.

The "reasons" are irrelevant.

"Success has a 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan".

 

Hillary lost because she underestimate how good a candidate Trump turned out to be.