Why did Trump win? New research by Democrats offers a worrisome answer

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  1. Ph3iron

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    So who are we going to blame when the economy doesn't go above 3 %?
    We still haven't seen his taxes.
    The only guy to go bankrupt in the casino bisiness.
    Researched trump university?
    Vagina grabber doesn't worry you?
     
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    You might want to start by reading, "Clausewitz Talks Business - An Executive's Guide to Thinking Like a Strategist." copyright 2015 by Norton Paley

    But I have to give credit where credit is due, specifically to Corey Lewandowski. He modified the Clausewitz model perfectly to fit the current political landscape.

    If anyone thinks that Trump didn't do a campaign study long before he entered the race, just like he would do a business prospectus study before purchasing a major property, they might just be fooling themselves.
     
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    See answers in Red
     
  4. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Please!

    I have no idea. This is one of those things where we will have to see who emerges in the next four years. Especially if the idea is to find someone who isn't old guard status quo.

    Put a gun to my head and I'd likely name:
    • Cory Booker
    • Martin O'Malley
    • Tulsi Gabbard
    • Either of the Castro brothers (Julian and Joaquin)
     
  5. raytri

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    Given that Trump doing an in-depth study runs counter to everything else we know about him -- including how he is running the White House -- color me highly skeptical.
     
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    Someone else will have to emerge, I am afraid. I think you might get stuck with Al Franken. For my party's sake, I really hope so. For the sake of the nation, I pray he loses.
     
  7. raytri

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    I'm not sure what the right has against Al Franken. He's actually a very serious, credible senator. He's very popular here in Minnesota.

    Your comment feels lazy.

    I don't think Franken will run for president. But if he did, he'd be a younger, funnier Bernie Sanders, with less socialism.
     
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    Don't worry, the Democratic party has lot of time to find new solid leaders and it will happen before the 2018 go round.
     
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    So his study said take 2 sides of nearly every issue except for 2 key positions?
     
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    This is same song from 2012 when Romney lost. Hillary was an establishment candidate with no message. Yet she still had a shot if not for some other external issues.
     
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    The democrats and republicans have never given a **** about the people, it's party first.
     
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    I think he is a complete asshat and belongs on a 3rd rate sitcom being unfunny or playing mentally challenged characters.

    Anyway, he most likely should not even be on the floor. It seems he won through voter fraud:

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud

    I never really relied on popularity polls, they seem skewed. After all, if they were correct, Hillary would be President with an approval rating of 178.62% with the other .09% racists and bigots who hate kittens.
     
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    And I could ask the same for Republicans. What are they doing for you, the working man ?

    I really think that people saw Washington as the problem. I honestly don't think they saw democrats or republicans as the problem, as much as they saw "politicians' as the problem. They saw Donald Trump as the loud mouthed, in your face, not a career politician, gunna change Washington guy. They saw him as the agent of change for what they really felt was wrong in Washington. Couple that with the masterful job the right did in painting Hillary as a "crooked politician", and as a "career politician, and you get President Donald Trump. All of this while voting for incumbent legislators at a 90% rate. Truly an amazing stat.

    Whats really sad is that the American electorate really thought that one man could change the system. That one man could change the way things worked in that town, could change what they did, and who they did it for. Sadly, once elected he showed that all of his campaign rhetoric was just smoke and mirrors.

    And probably the most eye opening thing I saw in this election is actually how partisan the electorate was. I really believe that most people who voted in this election were voting against a candidate, more than they were voting for a candidate. And even more scary is that once the Trump won, those who voted for him cant seem to hold him to the same standard they held Obama, let alone ANY standard. So while Trump votes for you to pay more taxes, while cutting corporate taxes and high income earners taxes, you still support that like somehow that will benefit you, and that thats why you elected Trump.
     
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    So you are in the camp that believes that Trump was willing to spend over 100+ million dollars of his own money and won over 300 electoral college votes by going totally random?

    Color me highly amused. Everything that YOU know about him is coming from a deceptive and purpose driven opposition.

    Seriously, when are you Democrats going to realize that Trump has a high IQ and has plenty of highly intelligent people surrounding him?
     
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  15. raytri

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    And you base this on what?

    That's complete crap. I lived through the recount and all the nonsense that got thrown up against the wall around it. There is ZERO evidence of fraud. Again, you are being lazy and returning the first Google link that supports your preconceived notion.

    Bored now.
     
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    Hillary Clinton was seen as hopelessly corrupt and someone who was plugged into the presidency as her birthright...not because she was
    a very good candidate.
    It's very simple and the millennials I know and their friends were all yelling this but the democrat party plowed ahead anyway.

    The party leadership seems at odds with the base once more and it's as though nothing has changed.
     
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    When he stops demonstrating his ignorance and stupidity on a daily basis.

    Seriously, please enlighten me as to the Clausewitzian genius of:
    -- Failing to nominate people for HUNDREDS of political jobs that he will need in order to actually pass legislation.
    -- Failing to propose any significant legislation to accomplish his stated goals;
    -- Alienating the Congressional Republicans he would need to pass his desired legislation, were he ever to bother proposing any;
    -- Constantly flip-flopping on what his stated goals ARE;
    -- Lying constantly and obviously
    -- Saying stupid, breathtakingly ignorant crap on a daily basis

    It's pretty hard to see the genius behind constantly shooting himself in the foot, unless actually ACCOMPLISHING anything isn't his goal.
     
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    The fact that the, "Freedom Caucus," stood up to Ryan speaks volumes. And the fact that Israel got their F35's, with permission from Trump to use their own avionics, is more evidence of a change we are only beginning to see.
     
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    Listening to him speak, he doesn't strike me as someone who is good for the country or good for the Democratic party. The crap he pulled with Jeff Sessions was exactly that. Total crap.

    I remember the recount as well. It seemed awfully fishy. For a guy who is so popular, he barely scrapped by and it seems like he got some help:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/07/rampant-voter-fraud-alleged-in-minnesota.php

    Sorry, not an Al Franken fan at all. You have better Democrats than him, that is for sure.
     
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    The Republicans do not lie as much to the working people as the Democratic Party has.
    Thank the Lord some recognize Wall Street Democrats are not really, Democrats.

    This election was 1968 all over again.
    The Democratic Party left me, so I may as well vote GOP to stimulate the Democratic Party to return to me as opposed to supporting a corrupted Party.

    The DNC needs housecleaning to assure no favoritism toward any candidate.
    And the party needs to reverse its' attitude that straight, white men are not welcome.
    Unwelcoming the largest pool of qualified people is hardly proper yet it is P.C.
    I just may not support my Democratic Party until a straight, white man in in charge.

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    The Clinton taint ... while I'm eating ...
     
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    Please cite.

    Obviously, your suggestion isn't supported by the OP study, so without evidence I think I have to totally disregard your post.
     
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    Perhaps it is hard for you to see Trump's genius because you would prefer to imagine that it were not there.

    When you observe things through the colored glasses of a person who believes that you know best about how things should be run, it doesn't leave much room for accommodation.
     
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    America has fertile land, no one should have to move for economic opportunity. if they can grow their own food, they are capitalists.

    for your second solution, stagnation is too widespread for government to pick and choose what areas get special help.

    it has to be a one size fits all, like how the President is doing it with removals of regulations everywhere.
     
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    Well, these things tend to be done by comparison.

    Trump out-promised Clinton. There is no doubt of that. And, there is no chance he will deliver on most of what he promised. In fact, his direction is toward gigantic benefits for the wealthy.

    How about that 15% tax rate? Who is it that will be able to switch to take their compensation as an LLC.

    And, I don't see evidence supporting your "white men not welcome" thing.
     
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