Why Do Americans Keep Voting for Republicans and Democrats? Are They Stupid?

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    That's because people won't compromise.
     
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    Voting for people who are without principals is stupid, just like Ethereal states.
     
  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Voting for people who share several of your principles with regard to how government should be run isn't.

    In a Democratic process one must compromise otherwise it is over.
     
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    Regardless, your implication that US voting patterns produce harmonious outcomes is contradicted by reality.
     
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    The US isn't supposed to be democratic, it's supposed to be federal. Because democracy is something that can only happen on a localized scale among a small group of people. The scale of the US only lends itself to a highly decentralized form of government where federal policy is strictly limited to a few areas where a broad and deep social consensus already exists.
     
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    If the constituent shares the principals of the candidates presented then they are either crooked or stupid.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Aside from the civil way era I disagree with you.

    Harmonious outcomes to me don't require that we all join hands and sing kumbaya.
     
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    So you should never vote at all. I absolutely support your decision.
     
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    You don't think that the two major parties having all the power, a monopoly on our election system which they alone determine the candidates, the election laws, your choices, dominate the media and the messaging, have all the money and a few more reasons doesn't have something to do with it?
     
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    Then people shouldn't vote at all. I support your right and decision not to vote.
     
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    Overly simplistic.
     
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    Yet 100% accurate. Not everything has to be complicated.
     
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    You are right, people shouldn't vote at all. The problem is, people still vote. They still impose the tyranny of a majority on otherwise peaceful people and that is why voting is an immoral act.
     
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    How do you propose we elect governors, senators, congressmen, presidents, etc without voting?
     
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    The Constitution rules the country, not elected officials. So there isn't a tyranny of the majority.
     
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    How did it get that way? Did Republicans and Democrats mount an armed assault on the government, taking it by force?
     
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    Not voting, in and of itself, isn't enough. There needs to be a return to State and local sovereignty.
     
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    That's like saying Bill Cosby had a good relationship with women aside from the all date raping he did.

    Actually, it does. That's what harmonious means. The US political system is the exact opposite of harmonious. It's extremely acrimonious. And has always been so.
     
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    I don't think States and local government should have sovereignty that takes away from individual liberty.
     
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    Neither do I. But infringements of individual liberty are much easier to combat and resist when they occur locally as opposed to nationally or federally.
     
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    How is it like that? Explain.



    no it isn't you can tell this by me saying that that isn't what I meant. How are you going to tell me what I mean?

    because the Civil War has been going on since the dawn of our nation. Sure.

    yet within our country we've managed to maintain peace for centuries.

    Just because politicians bicker does it mean we're at each other's throats.
     
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    that all really depends doesn't it?
     
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    No, not really. The more localized a government is, the smaller it will be. And the smaller a government is, the less power it has.
     
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    No, it doesn't. Men and women rule, the political elite in the three branches. The CONUS has been discarded like so much used toilet paper.
     
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    Assuming they don't have any ties to the federal government. And it has been the case all through history that they do, regardless of whether they are state local or even corporate governments
     
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